bring back 15 round fights

[beenKOed]

Those 3 extra rounds are a waste or time.
Find another way to waste our time.

[SlimTrae]

Those 3 extra rounds are a waste or time.
Find another way to waste our time.

I dunno, I can't think of too many fights where rounds 13-15 werent tell-all rounds. I'm sure Hearns would agree with you as it related to his first fight with Ray.

[SlimTrae]

15! 15! We want 15!

[SlimTrae]

Rounds 13-15 the REAL championship rounds!

[SlimTrae]

Maybe TKO is right, it would be a waste of time to watch today's nutritioned trained fighters go 15 rounds. They got the pills, needles to bulk up, but missing mas macho!

[SlimTrae]

The days of the 15rounders- when only Real Men applied for the job! R.I.P The GREAT Salvador Sanchez vs the man who would become the "PROFESSOR" Azumah Nelson, damn those were the days!

[SlimTrae]

Heck, yesteryear's fighters knew how to go for the kill-when they were tired, hurt and questioning if they could do more- look at Pryor get rejuvenated in round 14 when he sees the Great ETM Alexis Arguello hurt. This is what champions do: they find the other gear. That last drop of fuel in the tank. R.I.P Alexis Arguello. Rounds 13-15 were & STILL ARE THE CHAMPIONSHIP ROUNDS!

[brocktonblockbust]

max the whole point is that it was exciting to watch and the audience was on the edge of its seat in both of those fights during that 15th round. Both guys being exhausted and still giving it all they had and landing bombs is certainly what boxing is all about at least in part isn't it.

[brocktonblockbust]

Max I will tend to agree with you on that point about how these modern day boxers probably not perform too well from 13 to 15. I'm not saying that they are not conditioned well enough to do so but what I am saying is that I do not think that their performance would increase in any way through those championship rounds.

[brocktonblockbust]

guys like Chris Arreola I don't think could fight 15 rounds. Even Bermain Stivyrne look completely exhausted after 8 or 9....never look so good beyond 8 rounds either and Mike Tyson certainly petered out after eight or nine rounds himself. Gone are the days or fighters could fight 15 solid rounds. Let's take a look at Rocky Marciano that monster just kept getting stronger and stronger the more rounds he fought. I think Rocky could probably fight 20 or 25 rounds no problem

[Max Power]

Those 3 extra rounds are a waste or time.
Find another way to waste our time.

Agreed.

Basically any fight that went longer than 12 rounds in the old days was a sign of failure.

And any stoppage victory scored in Round 13 plus was nearly always due to nothing more than fatigue and stamina management. I basically disregard these stoppages most of the time when making comparisons.

It's interesting to note that when you look at the boxers with the MOST 13+ round fights under their belt, nearly all of them were featherfists!

[brocktonblockbust]

Those 3 extra rounds are a waste or time.
Find another way to waste our time.

Agreed.

Basically any fight that went longer than 12 rounds in the old days was a sign of failure.

And any stoppage victory scored in Round 13 plus was nearly always due to nothing more than fatigue and stamina management. I basically disregard these stoppages most of the time when making comparisons.

It's interesting to note that when you look at the boxers with the MOST 13+ round fights under their belt, nearly all of them were featherfists!

what a wheelbarrow of dung. 13-15 has brought us the most dramatic rounds thruout history. All you young asses have ADD.

[Max Power]

@brocktonblockbust

It's a real toss up for me as to what amounts to more excitement.

Round 13-15 of an olden days fight...

Or the equivalent 10 minutes of championship lawn bowls.

[brocktonblockbust]

@maxpower did you see 15 in norton-holmes? ali-frazier 1? etc

[Max Power]

@<a href="http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxingforum/member.php?u=758" target="_blank">maxpower</a> did you see 15 in norton-holmes? ali-frazier 1? etc

Round 15 of Frazier/Ali featured the supposedly "iron chinned" Ali getting knocked down by featherfist handicapped dwarf Frazier, and both guys so utterly exhausted they were in an embrace complete with arm holding & head pushing for almost precisely 50% of the round.

As for Holmes vs Norton, I'll even provide the round as example.



- Sluggish performance,
- Slow
- Completely sapped of energy and strength.
- Absence of any appreciable skill level or sharpness
- Stand right in front of each other slugging it out, no foot, body or head movement like the punch bags of earlier eras.

There is absolutely no way that this can be confused with a modern 12 round fight!

And this is not to say that Holmes and even Norton were ALWAYS like this, it's simply that any stoppages or fight changing events that happened in those later rounds were largely due to nothing more than gas related or pacing reasons, not boxing performance.

When comparing fights from modern eras and past ones, it's necessary to delete rounds 13-15 for a couple of basic reasons.

If they were to fight today, they wouldn't have been able to KO or beat the opponent.

And even more profoundly, 15 round fights is actually an unfair advantage for the nostalgic boxers!

Conventional nostalgic argument goes "Past boxers were 15 rounders, modern boxers couldn't go 15 rounds anymore"

Max Power argument goes "If modern boxers were ALLOWED to box more rounds, modern boxers would have EVEN HIGHER KOratio's (more knockouts) than they already do!