The days of the 15rounders- when only Real Men applied for the job! R.I.P The GREAT Salvador Sanchez vs the man who would become the "PROFESSOR" Azumah Nelson, damn those were the days!
The days of the 15rounders- when only Real Men applied for the job! R.I.P The GREAT Salvador Sanchez vs the man who would become the "PROFESSOR" Azumah Nelson, damn those were the days!
Heck, yesteryear's fighters knew how to go for the kill-when they were tired, hurt and questioning if they could do more- look at Pryor get rejuvenated in round 14 when he sees the Great ETM Alexis Arguello hurt. This is what champions do: they find the other gear. That last drop of fuel in the tank. R.I.P Alexis Arguello. Rounds 13-15 were & STILL ARE THE CHAMPIONSHIP ROUNDS!
max the whole point is that it was exciting to watch and the audience was on the edge of its seat in both of those fights during that 15th round. Both guys being exhausted and still giving it all they had and landing bombs is certainly what boxing is all about at least in part isn't it.
Yeah ok I suppose you guys are both right on those points, that definitely puts it into perspective @Master and even resonates with my own 101 theory.
And @brocktonblockbust that is correct too. Let's not pretend as if the 12th rounds of many modern fights weren't just as exciting for those reasons too.
I don't have anything particularly against 15 round fights, I just think the longer the fights go for in general, the weaker the performance overall and the weaker the boxers. I wouldn't want to go back to 15, 10-12 rounds seems really optimal to me.
If the 12th round winds up a draw, I am warm to the concept of the sudden death "13th round" as a tie breaker.
And the concept that 12 round fighters couldn't go 15 rounds is one of the most ridiculous arguments I've heard.
"Enough with the games mate! Your messing with the Grand Master!"
Lennox Lewis
Max I will tend to agree with you on that point about how these modern day boxers probably not perform too well from 13 to 15. I'm not saying that they are not conditioned well enough to do so but what I am saying is that I do not think that their performance would increase in any way through those championship rounds.
No I would imagine their performance would be affected in a common sense fashion.
If they fought hard the whole fight, their performance in the later rounds would deteriorate in the later rounds also.
If they conserved energy early, they may be able to have energetic bursts and better acumen later.
You might not be using such arguments like they aren't conditioned enough but I assure you there are many out there who do use such arguments.
"Enough with the games mate! Your messing with the Grand Master!"
Lennox Lewis
guys like Chris Arreola I don't think could fight 15 rounds. Even Bermain Stivyrne look completely exhausted after 8 or 9....never look so good beyond 8 rounds either and Mike Tyson certainly petered out after eight or nine rounds himself. Gone are the days or fighters could fight 15 solid rounds. Let's take a look at Rocky Marciano that monster just kept getting stronger and stronger the more rounds he fought. I think Rocky could probably fight 20 or 25 rounds no problem
ANY boxer can go ANY number of rounds depending on how well they pace themselves and how hard their opponent pushes the pace on them. Modern opponents are heavier and more explosive and would wear out a nostalgic boxer much faster. Conversely though a modern more heavier boxer must pace themselves more than their older counterparts else they will gas more easily also.
Bigger is better in boxing. Explosiveness is better in boxing, so long as energy conservatism is maintained for the number of rounds.
Stivernes workrate is so low he could easily make 15 rounds, the single Wilder fight where he looked exhausted he got beaten up for 12 rounds and suffered from rhabdomyolysis and dehydration and STILL survived.
And the Arreola comment was even more ridiculous. The HW with one of the best gas tanks in HW boxing today, able to at 240lbs push one of the hardest paces for 12 rounds on his opponents, wouldn't be able to scratch out an extra few? No way LOL
"Enough with the games mate! Your messing with the Grand Master!"
Lennox Lewis
yeah the championship rounds throughout history are what made boxing so spectacular. the only reason I would support going down to 12 roun's is for the fighter's safety.
3 more rounds show who the real champion is and I think fighters like Floyd would love it.
Do not let success go to your head and do not let failure get to your heart.
Yes I could see how Mayweather would benefit from more rounds.
"Enough with the games mate! Your messing with the Grand Master!"
Lennox Lewis
"Enough with the games mate! Your messing with the Grand Master!"
Lennox Lewis
Modern opponents are heavier and more explosive and would wear out a nostalgic boxer much faster.
Notice this statement can only be made to one division thus the knowledge here is :7 weight class-deficient. Unless we look at the extra 10 divisions added on in the past 20 or so years.
Oh, wait a modern Welterweight is much more lean in muscle mass, with his general nutrition centers at your local shopping mall. While those old Neanderthal Welterweight just aren't as toned, they don't have the modern techniques, the modern whey protein and creatine.
Obviously a 1960's MW would never compare with a modern day MW. Today's MW are totally bigger, stronger, smarter and more uh...athletic. Yeah that's it! More uh, athletic.
With that being said; the Jetsons' Astro would slaughter the Flintstones Dino. Dino is prehistoric, Astro is a scientific canine.
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