Thurman/Guerrero card brings in 3.4 million viewers

[Beanflicker]

Don't get too excited. For a Prime Time show, it needs to have a consistent showing of 4.0 for it to have a future. Below that, its just a matter of time. 65% of all new shows get canceled. That's around 115 to 120 and below on the overall list of shows that get chopped. When a show scores in the 7's then it's future is good enough to survive on prime-time.

Yeah but this isn't a hip new sitcom or game show where they're expecting to hit a grand slam on the first night. They're reintroducing the mainstream to an old product, and for those numbers to be pulled in by guys who are nowhere near the top of boxing in terms of name/star power, that's pretty encouraging. NBC had to have known that this was a test event, and for it to pull in solid numbers like that shows a lot of promise.

[fan johnny]

Don't get too excited. For a Prime Time show, it needs to have a consistent showing of 4.0 for it to have a future. Below that, its just a matter of time. 65% of all new shows get canceled. That's around 115 to 120 and below on the overall list of shows that get chopped. When a show scores in the 7's then it's future is good enough to survive on prime-time.

Yeah but this isn't a hip new sitcom or game show where they're expecting to hit a grand slam on the first night. They're reintroducing the mainstream to an old product, and for those numbers to be pulled in by guys who are nowhere near the top of boxing in terms of name/star power, that's pretty encouraging. NBC had to have known that this was a test event, and for it to pull in solid numbers like that shows a lot of promise.

Based on what I read about Al Haymon's deal with NBC, NBC has no risk. (I frankly think this is a big mistake on Al Hamon's part) It's mostly on the weight of AL Haymon's $$$. I'm willing to bet his motivation is not completely because his heart is with boxing, but rather a bigger chunk of the motivation is to earn money. I doubt the decision makers care about content as much as the performance ratings. The bottom line is profit margin. This is mostly why some 65% of all new shows get canceled. The only shows that seem to survive with lower ratings are the ones that get social and media attention due to feed back from the fans. Branding in advertising carries more weight and sponsors are willing to lose money in a demographic because they earn a name. Let's hope this rings true for Boxing. When an investor dumps more than his net worth into a product, I suspect it's not testing. I however, find it very difficult to believe, Al Hamon's net worth is only $15 Million.

[walrus]

This wasn't a one shot deal. We have many good nbc fights coming up. He has a plan to try to build this up. If the ratings are good and people are looking forward to the negotiations will change. Let's give it time and see if it gives boxing a kick in the ads as far as ratings go.

[Beanflicker]

Based on what I read about Al Haymon's deal with NBC, NBC has no risk. (I frankly think this is a big mistake on Al Hamon's part) It's mostly on the weight of AL Haymon's $$$. I'm willing to bet his motivation is not completely because his heart is with boxing, but rather a bigger chunk of the motivation is to earn money. I doubt the decision makers care about content as much as the performance ratings. The bottom line is profit margin. This is mostly why some 65% of all new shows get canceled. The only shows that seem to survive with lower ratings are the ones that get social and media attention due to feed back from the fans. Branding in advertising carries more weight and sponsors are willing to lose money in a demographic because they earn a name. Let's hope this rings true for Boxing. When an investor dumps more than his net worth into a product, I suspect it's not testing. I however, find it very difficult to believe, Al Hamon's net worth is only $15 Million.

Everything comes down to $$$, we all know that. But to Haymon's credit, at least he's risking his money for the betterment of boxing. That's something the dinosaurs before him like Bob Arum and Don King never did. Like JFK said, a rising tide lifts all boats, and obviously as boxing's current king pin the bigger boxing is the more money he makes. But it's great to have a guy out there thinking about the big picture and taking risks.

I don't know much about the particulars of the deal, but you have to imagine boxing is a tough sell for the big networks. It's fallen almost completely out of the public's eye and has largely been eclipsed by the UFC. It's not something that's going to be a home run right away.

[smashup]

So was this broadcast nationwide to the entire US population that have access to terrestrial TV?

If so then the figures are shit when you think about it - 3.4 Million watching out of a population of 318 million.

Here in the UK Nigel Benn v Chris Eubank pulled in figures of over 16 Million and Barry Mcguigan pulled in over 18 Million in the early 1980's, these fights were years ago before Social media, smartphones and even the Internet to help promote them!!!

Bare in mind the UK population back then was around 48 Million - Thats a quarter of the UK watching these fights

Some official UK terrestrial fight statistics (in Millions) from over the years

Ali v Frazier 1971 BBC 27.3
McGuigan v Cabrera 1986 BBC 18.3
McGuigan v Pedroza 1985 BBC 18.0
Eubank v Benn 1993 ITV 16.3
Malinga v Eubank 1992 ITV 13.3
Benn v McClellan 1995 ITV 13.1
Rocchigiani v Eubank 1994 ITV 12.3
Eubank v Close 1993 ITV 11.5
Eubank v Thornton 1992 ITV 10.3
Eubank v Holmes 1993 ITV 10.1, Bruno v Marin 1995 ITV 10.1

[Rantcatrat]

So was this broadcast nationwide to the entire US population that have access to terrestrial TV?

If so then the figures are shit when you think about it - 3.4 Million watching out of a population of 318 million.

Here in the UK Nigel Benn v Chris Eubank pulled in figures of over 16 Million and Barry Mcguigan pulled in over 18 Million in the early 1980's, these fights were years ago before Social media, smartphones and even the Internet to help promote them!!!

Bare in mind the UK population back then was around 48 Million - Thats a quarter of the UK watching these fights

Some official UK terrestrial fight statistics (in Millions) from over the years

Ali v Frazier 1971 BBC 27.3
McGuigan v Cabrera 1986 BBC 18.3
McGuigan v Pedroza 1985 BBC 18.0
Eubank v Benn 1993 ITV 16.3
Malinga v Eubank 1992 ITV 13.3
Benn v McClellan 1995 ITV 13.1
Rocchigiani v Eubank 1994 ITV 12.3
Eubank v Close 1993 ITV 11.5
Eubank v Thornton 1992 ITV 10.3
Eubank v Holmes 1993 ITV 10.1, Bruno v Marin 1995 ITV 10.1

Right and when Kessler fought in Denmark, half the people watched him fight.

[Beanflicker]

So was this broadcast nationwide to the entire US population that have access to terrestrial TV?

If so then the figures are shit when you think about it - 3.4 Million watching out of a population of 318 million.

Here in the UK Nigel Benn v Chris Eubank pulled in figures of over 16 Million and Barry Mcguigan pulled in over 18 Million in the early 1980's, these fights were years ago before Social media, smartphones and even the Internet to help promote them!!!

Bare in mind the UK population back then was around 48 Million - Thats a quarter of the UK watching these fights

Some official UK terrestrial fight statistics (in Millions) from over the years

Ali v Frazier 1971 BBC 27.3
McGuigan v Cabrera 1986 BBC 18.3
McGuigan v Pedroza 1985 BBC 18.0
Eubank v Benn 1993 ITV 16.3
Malinga v Eubank 1992 ITV 13.3
Benn v McClellan 1995 ITV 13.1
Rocchigiani v Eubank 1994 ITV 12.3
Eubank v Close 1993 ITV 11.5
Eubank v Thornton 1992 ITV 10.3
Eubank v Holmes 1993 ITV 10.1, Bruno v Marin 1995 ITV 10.1

Right but you have to remember that this is a different time. Boxing is not nearly as popular as it was in the 70s, 80s and 90s. Those fights also occurred when there were only a handful of channels to chose from. There are also much less eyes on TV now a days than there were: the growing trend is that people are now accessing their media online and on mobile devices. And then of course you have to consider that those fights you listed involved boxing superstars who had a built-in following. Keith Thurman, Adrien Broner... these guys are potentially future superstars. Not really fair to compare their numbers to the numbers of Ali and Frazier.

I don't know why people are being so negative about it. You have to compare it to their direct competition, the UFC prime time shows, and considering the UFC is much hotter than boxing and a much newer exciting product, the NBC show did very well and it's definitely something to build on.

[imp]

Thank you al haymon..what has bob arum done?

[smashup]

So can someone from the USA confirm something please.....

Was this fight free to watch right across the entire U.S. Nationally?