Who was the most self-destructive in their careers?

[AdamGB]

Hector 'Macho' Camacho

Though he had a great career, he was 'self-destructive' for several periods during
his prime.


Thad 'Babe' Spencer

Nobody had more 'natural' talent than Thad in the Heavyweight Division from
1964 thru 1967. 'Nose-Candy' did him in, along with cockiness.

If he only had his head screwed on right, and listened to his good friend Eddie Machen
and Manager - Willie Ketchum, he would have been a World Champion.

You forgot Muhammad Ali. By being a draft-dodging coward he gave up his prime years!

True,

That cowardice that Cassius displayed was 'self-destructive'.

But, the world needs 'Chickens' too.............

Do you actually think he would have been put on the front lines? He knew fine well he wouldn't have been... Elvis wasn't, Joe Louis wasn't... He would have been safe and he knew it, going was NO risk, dodging the draft WAS...

He made a statement against a futile, pointless war and threw away years of is career to do so, he had nothing to lose in going, but in doing so would have appeared to condone the war.

Asking you to understand 'integrity' is too big of a stretch it seems.

[greynotsoold]

Mando Ramos, Keeny Teran, Raul Rojas, Ruben Navarro.

[Beanz]

Hatton. Who knows? He might have been rubbish without that self destructive streak and giving himself a mountain to climb, every pre fight camp.

[Bill Paxtom]

Sonny Liston

The most ungrateful fighter 'ever'.

It came back to bite him in the ass hard.........

Put down the 'J & B Scotch' Sonny.

[AdamGB]

'Ever'
You forgot to put 'ass' in apostrophes.

[Mark TKO]

wouldn't you say Edwin Valero ?

[Beanflicker]

Roberto Duran and James Toney deserve mentions for eating their way into weight divisions they had no business fighting in, and putting on the occasional shitty performance from being under trained.

[TitoFan]

Roberto Duran and James Toney deserve mentions for eating their way into weight divisions they had no business fighting in, and putting on the occasional shitty performance from being under trained.

While I hate to see the great Roberto Duran in the same sentence as James "Fat Ass" Toney, there is a lot of truth to that. Duran had no business ballooning up from lightweight all the way to super middle by the end of his career. His explosive power at lightweight became merely mortal at the higher weights.

However, I have to make an important distinction between the two. Toney ballooned up into the open-ended division that is heavyweight, the trash bin of all those pudgy, blubbery, out-of-shape clowns that think that just because they hit hard, they can compete as heavyweight boxers. I'll say this: Duran at super middle still looked somewhat as an athlete. Toney looked like a sumo wrestler with boxing gloves.

[Beanflicker]

While I hate to see the great Roberto Dura in the same sentence as James "Fat Ass" Toney, there is a lot of truth to that. Duran had no business ballooning up from lightweight all the way to super middle by the end of his career. His explosive power at lightweight became merely mortal at the higher weights.

However, I have to make an important distinction between the two. Toney ballooned up into the open-ended division that is heavyweight, the trash bin of all those pudgy, blubbery, out-of-shape clowns that think that just because they hit hard, they can compete as heavyweight boxers. I'll say this: Duran at super middle still looked somewhat as an athlete. Toney looked like a sumo wrestler with boxing gloves.

Give James his due, he fought and whipped a lot of in shape, scary HWs. Destroyed Holyfield and tore up a 260lb Sam Peter back when he was knocking everyone out, and got robbed on the decision. 25 years, almost 100 fights, middleweight to heavyweight, never stopped, never quit. I think you can mention James' name in the same sentence with anyone.

[beenKOed]

Roberto Duran and James Toney deserve mentions for eating their way into weight divisions they had no business fighting in, and putting on the occasional shitty performance from being under trained.

How about George Foreman for fighting the stupidest fight possible against Ali?

[Master]

Roberto Duran and James Toney deserve mentions for eating their way into weight divisions they had no business fighting in, and putting on the occasional shitty performance from being under trained.

How about George Foreman for fighting the stupidest fight possible against Ali?

He fought stupid most of his fights but very few could take the power.

Benn did the same thing when he fought Watson.

[Beanflicker]

Roberto Duran and James Toney deserve mentions for eating their way into weight divisions they had no business fighting in, and putting on the occasional shitty performance from being under trained.

How about George Foreman for fighting the stupidest fight possible against Ali?

Hindsight is 20/20. Here you are, a young man, a guy who blasted Ali's conquerers like Frazier and Norton out in 2 rounds, the HW champ of the world, A-level fighters disintegrating under your fists, and now you're fighting a former champ in his 30s, a guy who everyone says is well past his prime, who's had life and death battles with Ken Norton where he's had his jaw completely shattered... knowing all that you'd probably be pretty confident you can blast this old guy out in a few rounds like everyone else.

[fan johnny]

The ones that made it to the top then crashed it? Spinks , Tyson come to mind. Almost mayweather Is another playing with it.

[holmcall]

wouldn't you say Edwin Valero ?

Yes, actually I would at that!

[Bill Paxtom]

'Ever'
I forgot to put my mouth on your 'ass' in apostrophes.

John Conteh

He was a basket-case.