Floyd camp's PED propaganda!

[walrus]

I always thought it was unfair the way Floyd and his camp used the PED propaganda bullshit on Manny. It was utter and complete BS.

I would have sued Floyd. Truly.

He reckons that because Manny moved up in weight so spectacularly and UPPED his power to boot that Manny had to be using PED's. They all take supplements, but no way do I think Manny over-did the PED's.

Has anyone seen footage of Manny when he was a bantam back in the Philippines? He was too strong at that weight in any event, and evidence showed that he had Welterweight power at Bantamweight. It wasn't fair for him to stay at that weight and pummel guys into submission.

Also, it wasn't as if Manny was the ONLY fighter to carry his power up in weight.

Sugar Ray Leonard took his power well into the LH's from lightweight.... Roy Jones took his power- a little bit of it- right into the LH's and peaked... Hearns took his power well into the Cruiserweight from light welterweight... Artuto Gatti started out at featherweight and took power to at least the light welters...

So, Floyd's camp was fulla caca!

Nice try with the inductive reasoning attempt but it won’t work my young friend. It won’t work because it’s filled with apples and oranges. Tommy Hearns did not carry his bone crusher power with him beyond 154. When he walked into the Kronk Gym he sported an amateur record of 166 fights with 155 with 11 ko's.

Manny taught him how to punch and sit down on his shots whereas the amateur system took advantage of his freak stature by pointing fights out because of the ridiculous scoring criteria.
His power peaked at 154 even though he could obviously still bang but he did grow out of his advantage in that regard.

Leonard had his power shut off at 154 so I'm a little perplexed with these comparisons. Roy Jones was a freak of nature and with him it was his speed and timing of his punches as much as it was about power. Gatti only fought in the 126 area in a few early fights and when he fought at 130 it was his size compared to the rest of the field the night of the fight. This helped him through 135 with those who would trade. By the time he got beat by Robinson back to back he was outgrowing 135. Even at 140 it was evident that he was a welter. Remember scale gate with poor Joey Gomache?


Pac is different then all of these guys. What he took with him as he moved up has not been seen in the history of the sport. His power increased exponentially and so did his speed, footwork and the whole enchilada. He didn't just beat the cream of the crop moving up, he destroyed them. Now maybe it was all legit after all he was never caught but they didn't test and let’s all not forget that Uinsane Bolt has never been caught and he's tested all the time. The speed of designer drugs is simply ahead of the curve and imo Manny found one that worked wonders. Like they are designed to do. Anybody who didn’t think questions would be asked and accusations leveled along the way had/has a bad case of ostrich syndrome.

And that leads to my final point. This whole PED thing is a red herring. Somebody provide me a list of those that would not test hot with relevant testing? Everybody thinks everybody is juicing so why is it even a topic? Furthermore, because of these antiquated testing requirements that in fact enable these cheaters to cheat is there even an opening for accusations? If anything this shit is systemic and if ever unmasked probably the norm.

Well said, I never thought Manny was a Ped user but it's said around here a lot. If it's just accusations I usually disregard such things. If it is so, the truth usually has a way of getting out. Someone writes a tell all book or someone finds a paper trail.

This fight doesn't even need the usual bs from each camp, it sells itself.

Side note, I read Floyd used a 4,000 dollar gold pen to sign his contract, needed to use white gloves to hold it. I was kind of surprised it was only four grand, I've seen more expensive pens out there, maybe Floyd's broke.

[IamInuit]

Well said, I never thought Manny was a Ped user but it's said around here a lot. If it's just accusations I usually disregard such things. If it is so, the truth usually has a way of getting out. Someone writes a tell all book or someone finds a paper trail.

This fight doesn't even need the usual bs from each camp, it sells itself.

Side note, I read Floyd used a 4,000 dollar gold pen to sign his contract, needed to use white gloves to hold it. I was kind of surprised it was only four grand, I've seen more expensive pens out there, maybe Floyd's broke.

Good post.

See now I always thought he did and still think he might although he has seemed to have lost some of that rage and octane. Thing is, to me at least much of that view was because it looked so obvious to me. Its just as much in the how for me as it is the what. As cynical as I am at times I actually believe there are fighters that dont juice. I think its an option for many fighters at different times in their career and for justifiable reasons as crazy as that may sound. Suppose one has inside knowledge his opponent is or knows he will be outweighed the night of the fight by 10 or 20 pounds?

I dont think Hopkins juices or ever has. I think his longevity like Archie Moore is testimony to that not evidence of the opposite. There is also the way he fights. I mean if he was using the last 5 years for example he was buying shitty juice

I dont think Floyd has or would. I dont think guys like Calzaghe ever did either. Benn probably did. I'd bet Argentina has them as part of their program. America got the Nazi Rocket scientists and Argentina got the Nazi bio-chemists.

But the guys that I think are not or did not could be the ones knee deep. I knew Ben Johnson had to be doing something. Nobody even knew who Conte was at that time. Only that he was a high performance nutritionist specializing in track but Bens transformation was unbelievable. On the other hand I would have never suspected Carl Lewis with his wholesome mom and apple pie routine and his lanky body type and yet he ended up dirty.

We all know now that everyone in every sprint at a certain level is juicing and at some point in their career juiced to get there. Few exceptions but not to many running under 10 w/o them.

I look at boxing today in the same light although I think there is more room for exceptions because of some exceptional fighters like Floyd who literally grew up and were schooled in the gym. But in effect its his perfection that would cause others that had to face him to cheat. Tyson admits to using them his entire career after a certain point and that the choices were as plenty as a candy aisle.

I get on people that get caught these days because you have to be awfully stupid to get caught. Chances are the opponent who is shitting on the guy before or after the fight was cheating himself.

The hypocrisy also of the establishment making an example of someone cause they had some thc in their piss really gets me angry. This same establishment which includes broadcasters, announcers, governing bodies and promoters know full well of steroid use and do nothing about it. It factors into their bottom line. Juice equals ko's and ko's equal ratings, ppv sales, salaries, salaries and salaries.

I just assume for the most part that everyone is chemically enhanced and that makes it an even playing field.

[walrus]

Understood but perhaps you might clarify something . In the interviews I've seen Tyson admitted to using Narcotics during fights later in his career and using fake or others Urine to pass tests but he fell short of admitting to peds. One could certainly argue certain narcotics could be a type of ped but my experience with them is quite the opposite. You obviously heard different and I'm just curious as to what and where you heard. Sorry, a bit off topic but still on the ped track.

[IamInuit]

Understood but perhaps you might clarify something . In the interviews I've seen Tyson admitted to using Narcotics during fights later in his career and using fake or others Urine to pass tests but he fell short of admitting to peds. One could certainly argue certain narcotics could be a type of ped but my experience with them is quite the opposite. You obviously heard different and I'm just curious as to what and where you heard. Sorry, a bit off topic but still on the ped track.

He's never named designer roids but "Peds" can encompass everything from a store shelf to a pharmacist, to a street corner to the scientist. When asked what he took on many occasions he has said "name it" When he was with that hag Givens they had him on downers like lithium and other shit cause he was diagnosed psychotic and a lifelong manic depressive. One she was curbed the King years really started and the world became his oyster.

Even sudafed is considered a ped. For Tyson can you imagine him already in a rage snorting a 1/4 gram up each side before he entered the ring? He was probably whacked on something for part of the day almost every day of his prime years. And he's also a poster child for how the establishment
practices there end justifies the means policy. The guy was earning on average 20 and 30 million a fight for a minute or two worth of work and exhibiting rage that until such time was never witnessed.
A lot of people got rich off Tyson and it would not surprise me to learn that even network execs ensured that he had a steady supply of Peruvian blow. You mentioned narcotics. Hundreds of narcotics appear in one form or another on PED lists.