Quote Originally Posted by walrus View Post
Well said, I never thought Manny was a Ped user but it's said around here a lot. If it's just accusations I usually disregard such things. If it is so, the truth usually has a way of getting out. Someone writes a tell all book or someone finds a paper trail.

This fight doesn't even need the usual bs from each camp, it sells itself.

Side note, I read Floyd used a 4,000 dollar gold pen to sign his contract, needed to use white gloves to hold it. I was kind of surprised it was only four grand, I've seen more expensive pens out there, maybe Floyd's broke.
Good post.

See now I always thought he did and still think he might although he has seemed to have lost some of that rage and octane. Thing is, to me at least much of that view was because it looked so obvious to me. Its just as much in the how for me as it is the what. As cynical as I am at times I actually believe there are fighters that dont juice. I think its an option for many fighters at different times in their career and for justifiable reasons as crazy as that may sound. Suppose one has inside knowledge his opponent is or knows he will be outweighed the night of the fight by 10 or 20 pounds?

I dont think Hopkins juices or ever has. I think his longevity like Archie Moore is testimony to that not evidence of the opposite. There is also the way he fights. I mean if he was using the last 5 years for example he was buying shitty juice

I dont think Floyd has or would. I dont think guys like Calzaghe ever did either. Benn probably did. I'd bet Argentina has them as part of their program. America got the Nazi Rocket scientists and Argentina got the Nazi bio-chemists.

But the guys that I think are not or did not could be the ones knee deep. I knew Ben Johnson had to be doing something. Nobody even knew who Conte was at that time. Only that he was a high performance nutritionist specializing in track but Bens transformation was unbelievable. On the other hand I would have never suspected Carl Lewis with his wholesome mom and apple pie routine and his lanky body type and yet he ended up dirty.

We all know now that everyone in every sprint at a certain level is juicing and at some point in their career juiced to get there. Few exceptions but not to many running under 10 w/o them.

I look at boxing today in the same light although I think there is more room for exceptions because of some exceptional fighters like Floyd who literally grew up and were schooled in the gym. But in effect its his perfection that would cause others that had to face him to cheat. Tyson admits to using them his entire career after a certain point and that the choices were as plenty as a candy aisle.

I get on people that get caught these days because you have to be awfully stupid to get caught. Chances are the opponent who is shitting on the guy before or after the fight was cheating himself.

The hypocrisy also of the establishment making an example of someone cause they had some thc in their piss really gets me angry. This same establishment which includes broadcasters, announcers, governing bodies and promoters know full well of steroid use and do nothing about it. It factors into their bottom line. Juice equals ko's and ko's equal ratings, ppv sales, salaries, salaries and salaries.

I just assume for the most part that everyone is chemically enhanced and that makes it an even playing field.