Punch Stat numbers: a load of rubbish?

[Spicoli]

Yeh pretty much a dull hammer used by networks to try to make a distinction. Window dressing. Almost like counting a pitchers total throws to home plate but with far less accuracy in category. What kills me is when they trump power punches. Ever see a guy knocked shitless by a jab Yep. Just call the action. We don't need a math class. Once HBo started using the 'Resusci annie' punch dummy graphic and counting shots to ribs, chest, chin, arm, eyebrows, etc it just got goofy.

[ykdadamaja]

Yeh pretty much a dull hammer used by networks to try to make a distinction. Window dressing. Almost like counting a pitchers total throws to home plate but with far less accuracy in category. What kills me is when they trump power punches. Ever see a guy knocked shitless by a jab Yep. Just call the action. We don't need a math class. Once HBo started using the 'Resusci annie' punch dummy graphic and counting shots to ribs, chest, chin, arm, eyebrows, etc it just got goofy.

Well, some fight fans, like myself, like to see it. I think it's cool. But the judges don't pay attention to it or count it.

What is also striking is that some of the "power punches" are not true power punches, they are pitty-pay set up shots that some jabs are more effective and harder. But, they count as power shots to the persons tabulating the punchstats.

[brocktonblockbust]

fighter A lands 7 jabs in a row and fighter B laughs and sneers at him and yells "was that a mosquito?"

fighter A then throws a hard right that is 90% blocked but 10% just gets in to B's ear

that's 8 punches to zero punches right there.

fighter B then throws and uppercut that buckles the knees of fighter A, who holds on for dear life.

the bell rings:

WHO WON THE ROUND? (assuming that is all the action)

come on biotches---WHO WON THAT ROUND)

[Master]

The stats should only be used as a secondary factor supporting the fight result not dictating the result of the fight.

[Beanflicker]

The stats should only be used as a secondary factor supporting the fight result not dictating the result of the fight.

Why should it be used to support a fight result if landing the most punches in a fight doesn't win you the fight? I don't think it should be used for anything other than a curiosity, like the little graphic that shows how many punches were landed to the right body, left head, ect that HBO does.

It's so weird, people bring it up to support or attack a decision, and it's like who cares who landed the most punches? I wanna know who won the most rounds.

[SlimTrae]

The stats should only be used as a secondary factor supporting the fight result not dictating the result of the fight.

Why should it be used to support a fight result if landing the most punches in a fight doesn't win you the fight? I don't think it should be used for anything other than a curiosity, like the little graphic that shows how many punches were landed to the right body, left head, ect that HBO does.

It's so weird, people bring it up to support or attack a decision, and it's like who cares who landed the most punches? I wanna know who won the most rounds.

Interesting perspective. Just curious; any examples where you felt a guy who didnt land the most won?

[brocktonblockbust]

i cant believe that fight la motta and hayes

[Beanflicker]

Interesting perspective. Just curious; any examples where you felt a guy who didnt land the most won?

I'd have to really think about it, I know Toney/Peter 1 is one for sure. I know Sweet Pea out landed De La Hoya but I felt DLH deserved the decision, albeit a very narrow decision.

I get that there is a strong, strong correlation between landing the most punches overall and winning the fight, but as they say correlation does not imply causation. We know for certain that it does not in this case, because a fight isn't scored as a whole, it's scored by rounds. Even looking at who lands the most punches per round skews it because it doesn't take into account the effectiveness of each punch.

[SlimTrae]

fighter A lands 7 jabs in a row and fighter B laughs and sneers at him and yells "was that a mosquito?"

fighter A then throws a hard right that is 90% blocked but 10% just gets in to B's ear

that's 8 punches to zero punches right there.

fighter B then throws and uppercut that buckles the knees of fighter A, who holds on for dear life.

the bell rings:

WHO WON THE ROUND? (assuming that is all the action)

come on biotches---WHO WON THAT ROUND)

Yowza, Great question.
Reminds me of Williams Martinez I. PW landed more- and since he connected often: then dangit; it should count. But on the other hand, when Martinez landed- U knew it! I understand those who felt Sergio won it- he had the power punches.

There was one fight I think it was Shane Mosley. He was out landed, but I thought he clearly won the fight.

Oh, If fighter (A) didn't have a knee touch from that buckling of a shot- then he wins the round.

[pacfan]

Punch Stats are right when your boy wins but wrong when he loses, that's the fact of life among fans. If you really want to know the truth, I mean the truth, just count the punches on a slo-mo. It's not as hard as you think. If a glove clearly touches a boxer, it's a point and if a punch rocks the fighter, it's a power punch. Whatever you do, just be consistent. IMO, the few fights I've counted, the Punch Stats were reasonably accurate, whether I liked it or not...

[SlimTrae]

. If you really want to know the truth, I mean the truth, just count the punches on a slo-mo. It's not as hard as you think. If a glove clearly touches a boxer, it's a point and if a punch rocks the fighter, it's a power punch. Whatever you do, just be consistent. IMO, the few fights I've counted, the Punch Stats were reasonably accurate, whether I liked it or not...

Okay wise guy! Unless we're talking those olden-golden fights where they used that super slomo for instant replay...try to count some of the punches in this punch fest. When U get a 1/2; I SERIOUSLY recommend this one. I question if I could be a good punchstat person in this one. Yes there are fights where guys throw a 100 per round like Margarito, Paul Williams and Mickey Ward vs Augustus. But the sloppiness of this fight I've linked: makes it all the more difficult. And at one point, this shit is really just a back alley fight. Oh, and if you've never seen this fight Pacfan. I will say in advance: you're welcome for what you are about to watch!

[SlimTrae]

Round 7 is a doozy- about 24 minutes in.

[pacfan]

. If you really want to know the truth, I mean the truth, just count the punches on a slo-mo. It's not as hard as you think. If a glove clearly touches a boxer, it's a point and if a punch rocks the fighter, it's a power punch. Whatever you do, just be consistent. IMO, the few fights I've counted, the Punch Stats were reasonably accurate, whether I liked it or not...

Okay wise guy! Unless we're talking those olden-golden fights where they used that super slomo for instant replay...try to count some of the punches in this punch fest. When U get a 1/2; I SERIOUSLY recommend this one. I question if I could be a good punchstat person in this one. Yes there are fights where guys throw a 100 per round like Margarito, Paul Williams and Mickey Ward vs Augustus. But the sloppiness of this fight I've linked: makes it all the more difficult. And at one point, this shit is really just a back alley fight. Oh, and if you've never seen this fight Pacfan. I will say in advance: you're welcome for what you are about to watch!

All right, buddy, just tell me how bad the stats was, I'll take your word for it.