Will Floyd Mayweather Come Out Throwing Bombs to Shock Everyone?

[ruthless rocco]

Can Pac KO fighters without PEDs as part of his training?

[brucelee]

Can Pac KO fighters without PEDs as part of his training?

Yes, and I believe you're the only poster here who has claimed in almost all your posts that Pac is using PEDs.

You watch Pac's fight when he was still starting as a boxer and you would know how much KO power he has even then.

If there are Pactards here, you, definitely, is the epitome of a true Pac hater. Are you, in anyway, related to Alex Ariza or the Gayweather?

Fact is, whatever will be the result of this fight, you will always claim that Pac is using PEDs because you can't accept the fact that in our generation there is a great boxer who like, Armstrong, has conquered numerous divisions. With your claim, you are practically saying that Pac's accomplishment is nothing. So if you're really a boxing fan, shut up if you don't have any evidence to prove your accusations....and please......give to the Pacman what is due him.

[Beanflicker]

When a guy turns down a huge pay day because he won't take a drug test, and after being accused of PEDs suddenly seems to lose his KO power almost instantly... it makes you wonder...

[ruthless rocco]

When a guy turns down a huge pay day because he won't take a drug test, and after being accused of PEDs suddenly seems to lose his KO power almost instantly... it makes you wonder...

AND...his trainer accuses the strength and conditioning coach of being a dirty scumbag who has been giving Manny shakes and refuses to reveal what's in them...

[Fenster]

And then that strength and conditioning coach gets employed by Floyd, who then refuses to pay a fine of $5 million (chump change for Floyd) if caught juicing... hmmmm... funny old lark

Can Floyd KO fighters with the PEDs? Interesting.

[Beanflicker]

Floyd's going to undergo random blood and urine testing (as is Pac), so what's the difference? If Floyd isn't using, he'll piss clean. If he is using PEDs, he'll get caught and his legacy will forever be tarnished. So who cares if he has to pay 5 mil or not? It's not like he's skirting the drug test.

[Fenster]

Why would Floyd refuse the penalty if he has nothing to hide? It doesn't make sense. If he's clean then what has he to worry about?

[ruthless rocco]

And then that strength and conditioning coach gets employed by Floyd, who then refuses to pay a fine of $5 million (chump change for Floyd) if caught juicing... hmmmm... funny old lark

Can Floyd KO fighters with the PEDs? Interesting.

Either Ariza is a steroid supplier and Manny was cheating by juicing for YEARS or Ariza isn't and you have no beef with Mayweather hiring him.

Which one is it Pactards?

[Fenster]

1. Manny is a drug cheat.

2. Ariza was the supplier.

3. Ariza now works for Floyd.

4. Floyd refuses to be punished if he fails drug test.

What is Floyd hiding? Take the test. Pass the test.

[ono]

When a guy turns down a huge pay day because he won't take a drug test, and after being accused of PEDs suddenly seems to lose his KO power almost instantly... it makes you wonder...

His KO power stemmed from the fact that he was fighting guys who engaged with him and thus left themselves open to counters. He hit Clottey and Oscar a million times without ever putting them over, yet Hatton and Cotto traded with him and got stopped.

There's no controversy. Steroids don't make you punch harder.

[corvette]

When a guy turns down a huge pay day because he won't take a drug test, and after being accused of PEDs suddenly seems to lose his KO power almost instantly... it makes you wonder...

His KO power stemmed from the fact that he was fighting guys who engaged with him and thus left themselves open to counters. He hit Clottey and Oscar a million times without ever putting them over, yet Hatton and Cotto traded with him and got stopped.

There's no controversy. Steroids don't make you punch harder.

Hatton and Cotto were coming of KO losses.

When a fighter walks away from the biggest fight ever over drug testing....that is controversy.

Don't bullshit yourself...that's never a good thing.

[ono]

When a guy turns down a huge pay day because he won't take a drug test, and after being accused of PEDs suddenly seems to lose his KO power almost instantly... it makes you wonder...

His KO power stemmed from the fact that he was fighting guys who engaged with him and thus left themselves open to counters. He hit Clottey and Oscar a million times without ever putting them over, yet Hatton and Cotto traded with him and got stopped.

There's no controversy. Steroids don't make you punch harder.

Hatton and Cotto were coming of KO losses.

When a fighter walks away from the biggest fight ever over drug testing....that is controversy.

Don't bullshit yourself...that's never a good thing.

What does that have to do with anything? Pacquiao had them in trouble because they left themselves wide open/walked on to shots. Not because he had super human steroid punching power. Clottey and De La Hoya largely covered up against Pacquiao which clearly lessened their chances of being KO'd. I don't get how that's difficult for anyone to grasp - if you walk on to a punch - it increases the impact, if you pull away from the punch or partially block it, it lessens the impact.

You need to point out where i am 'bullshitting myself' because i haven't declared that Pacquiao is 100% a clean fighter - because nobody on this board knows, and the same applies to Floyd or any other top level fighter. I have no allegiance to Pacquiao, nor do i particularly care about whether he's taken PEDs or not. I couldn't give two super shits. I'm just pointing out that KO/TKO wins over two fighters who tried to go to war with a much faster and more accurate fighter proves precisely fuck all. It just means they got punched in the face and they went down. It doesn't mean Manny Pacquiao was on steroids.

[corvette]

When a guy turns down a huge pay day because he won't take a drug test, and after being accused of PEDs suddenly seems to lose his KO power almost instantly... it makes you wonder...

His KO power stemmed from the fact that he was fighting guys who engaged with him and thus left themselves open to counters. He hit Clottey and Oscar a million times without ever putting them over, yet Hatton and Cotto traded with him and got stopped.

There's no controversy. Steroids don't make you punch harder.

Hatton and Cotto were coming of KO losses.

When a fighter walks away from the biggest fight ever over drug testing....that is controversy.

Don't bullshit yourself...that's never a good thing.

What does that have to do with anything? Pacquiao had them in trouble because they left themselves wide open/walked on to shots. Not because he had super human steroid punching power. Clottey and De La Hoya largely covered up against Pacquiao which clearly lessened their chances of being KO'd. I don't get how that's difficult for anyone to grasp - if you walk on to a punch - it increases the impact, if you pull away from the punch or partially block it, it lessens the impact.

You need to point out where i am 'bullshitting myself' because i haven't declared that Pacquiao is 100% a clean fighter - because nobody on this board knows, and the same applies to Floyd or any other top level fighter. I have no allegiance to Pacquiao, nor do i particularly care about whether he's taken PEDs or not. I couldn't give two super shits. I'm just pointing out that KO/TKO wins over two fighters who tried to go to war with a much faster and more accurate fighter proves precisely fuck all. It just means they got punched in the face and they went down. It doesn't mean Manny Pacquiao was on steroids.

Don't take my word for it...take Freddy Roaches:

"Hatton is not the same since getting KO'd by Mayweather"
He said the exact same thing about Cotto.

He said this about Oscar:

"De La Hoya can't pull the trigger anymore at 147"
Getting KTFO has everything to do with boxing....a sport that has everything to do with CONDIFENCE.

If you think any fighter has the same level of confidence after getting KTFO for the FIRST time in their careers didint negatively effect them as fighters....You are too dumb to reason with.

[p4pking]

When a guy turns down a huge pay day because he won't take a drug test, and after being accused of PEDs suddenly seems to lose his KO power almost instantly... it makes you wonder...

His KO power stemmed from the fact that he was fighting guys who engaged with him and thus left themselves open to counters. He hit Clottey and Oscar a million times without ever putting them over, yet Hatton and Cotto traded with him and got stopped.

There's no controversy. Steroids don't make you punch harder.

Hatton and Cotto were coming of KO losses.

When a fighter walks away from the biggest fight ever over drug testing....that is controversy.

Don't bullshit yourself...that's never a good thing.

What does that have to do with anything? Pacquiao had them in trouble because they left themselves wide open/walked on to shots. Not because he had super human steroid punching power. Clottey and De La Hoya largely covered up against Pacquiao which clearly lessened their chances of being KO'd. I don't get how that's difficult for anyone to grasp - if you walk on to a punch - it increases the impact, if you pull away from the punch or partially block it, it lessens the impact.

You need to point out where i am 'bullshitting myself' because i haven't declared that Pacquiao is 100% a clean fighter - because nobody on this board knows, and the same applies to Floyd or any other top level fighter. I have no allegiance to Pacquiao, nor do i particularly care about whether he's taken PEDs or not. I couldn't give two super shits. I'm just pointing out that KO/TKO wins over two fighters who tried to go to war with a much faster and more accurate fighter proves precisely fuck all. It just means they got punched in the face and they went down. It doesn't mean Manny Pacquiao was on steroids.

I'm not taking the trolls side by any means, I agree with you totally. However, it's hard to find two guys that took a punch at WW better than DLH or Clottey, those guys really had anvils for chins. I doubt it was a case where neither of them at any point walked into a punch, as much as neither of them had ever been seriously hurt to the head by anyone.

[Ron Swanson]

We don't know if Pac was clean or dirty because he pulled out of the fight. We can make assumptions but we can't know for certain because he wasn't willing to fight Floyd in 2010 with drug testing unless he could choose the dates which makes testing pointless.

But skipping that, anyone that says PEDs don't work is ignorant. Every single sport where performance can be directly measured it is proven without a doubt to make a tremendous difference. Not a small difference, tremendous! They can give you better recovery so you can train more which makes you better, you can train harder which makes you better, you can train more often which makes you better. PEDs can improve speed, strength, stamina, they can help you gain weight or lose weight to make your body precisely right for your needs. They can improve your confidence which can improve your will. They can give you a rage which can help pain tolerance and drive. The benefits go on and on. And every sport that you can't directly measure success claims "not in our sport" remember "steroids can't help you hit a baseball"? Oh yeah morons? Look at home run totals since testing was implemented and look at totals since it's been improved. It's proven that "steroids can't help you hit a baseball" is f'n ignorant. Steroids can increase bat speed which has many effects on hitting a baseball. Just like that steroids can increase punch velocity. Suddenly that punch that was a fraction late gets there. PEDs can improve stamina so that guy that is arm weary in the 9th is suddenly fresh as a daisy and landing 40 punches. They work and they're f'n dangerous and any scumbag that uses them deserves to be in prison. All PED cheats are f'n cowards. The lowest pieces of shit on earth.

But that is all beside the point. PEDs work. And anyone suggesting otherwise is ignorant.