Khan v Broner

[Primo Carnera]

Some people just have no clue what the word overrated means

please , enlighten me.

Hes generally rated as the 6th or 7th best welter. Its really hard to argue against that. Yet you seem to think hes overrated so I guess you dont have him in the top 10 in the division.

Well actually , many people believe he would beat Mayweather because "he's all wrong for him!" Malignaggi thinks that he's in the top 3. Many people think he was"thrashing" Garcia before he got plugged. Many people say he was "robbed" against Peterson when in reality it was a really close fight whichever way anybody believes it went. The point about the Peterson fight is that before the fight , he was supposedly Leagues above Peterson and it was supposedly an easy fight for him. As for that man in the hat bollocks to deflect from a shit performance, well say no more.
The only time he's ever won a World title, it was against undoubtedly the weakest champion in that division. And now, how the fuck is a fight against Algieri, who let's not forget has only fought once at this weight and got knocked down 6 times in the process, is this going to improve his rankings? He mentioned Broner, Thurman, Cotto for fucks sake, didn't we know he would end up fighting Algieri.
In conclusion, I wouldn't disagree with him being 7th or 8th best in the division, but many people think he is much higher and OVERRATE him.

[Silkeyjoe]

So surely since a well respected pundit like Paulie and a boxing efficionado like myself rate him higher than the 6th or 7th in div, which the general concensus is then surely hes underrated if anything?

I just dont see how you can claim a fighter like Khan is overrated. Most of the public dont rate him and on this forum only a handful of us think he has a chance against Floyd. If you look through comments on him v Brook most are picking Brook.

[Silkeyjoe]

You also fail to mention that Peterson failed a drug test and the ref was shocking in that fight. I still had Khan winning despite that but yes it was close, a lot closer than it should have been. Khan should have finished him early. If there was a rematch Khan would be a massive fav. Also he was beating Garcia easily before he got caught. Is that even debateable. He won every round and opened a cut that was close to ending the fight. Fair play to Garcia for digging deep but again in a rematch Khan is a strong fav.

[Primo Carnera]

You also fail to mention that Peterson failed a drug test and the ref was shocking in that fight. I still had Khan winning despite that but yes it was close, a lot closer than it should have been. Khan should have finished him early. If there was a rematch Khan would be a massive fav. Also he was beating Garcia easily before he got caught. Is that even debateable. He won every round and opened a cut that was close to ending the fight. Fair play to Garcia for digging deep but again in a rematch Khan is a strong fav.

Before the Peterson fight , all Khan talked about was what he was gonna do AFTER beating Peterson. It was seen as a really easy fight. I had Khan winning by one point, BUT when the 2 point deductions are factored in, losing by a point. You could say the points deductions were harsh, but the ref could clearly be heard telling Khan to stop pushing Peterson back at least 6 and probably 10 times.Even if Khan won , it was close and must be seen either as a very poor performance or that Khan was perceived as better than he actually was (overrated). If Khan fought him again , maybe he would win, as I said it was close, so it's possible. I can't see that it matters because Peterson isn't that good anyway,so if his level is there or thereabouts, then he clearly is overrated.
Now, how you can talk about winning easily when a fight is 2 rounds old is foolish in my opinion. I don't dispute Khan won the first 2 rounds, but a lot of punches hit Garcia's arms and Gloves, and the ones that did connect we're not discouraging Garcia and had little effect. It also has to be noted that Garcia caught Khan with quite a few counter shots in those rounds before he knocked him down. That should have sent alarm bells ringing, but no. And the cut was caused by a clash of heads, so if it caused the fight to be stopped, it would've been a no contest, so it's irrelevant really.
In The 3rd round, Garcia went to the body a lot more and was winning the round even before he put Khan down. BTW, the fight should've been stopped there. Kenny Bayless was kind to say the least to Khan and probably gave him 20 seconds in total to recover. In hindsight, it was a wrong call because even with a minute more rest, he still hadn't recovered by the start of 4th. And if Khan fought him again, Garcia would knock him out again!

[Silkeyjoe]

Its possible that Khan would be knocked out in a rematch but the most likely outcome is a Khan decision.

[Primo Carnera]

Its possible that Khan would be knocked out in a rematch but the most likely outcome is a Khan decision.

Anything is possible, but we'll have to agree to disagree on what is the more likely outcome.

[corvette]

Its possible that Khan would be knocked out in a rematch but the most likely outcome is a Khan decision.

Anything is possible, but we'll have to agree to disagree on what is the more likely outcome.

Khan lacks accuracy.

Throwing 5 punch combos at the air is not how it's done.

[corvette]

You also fail to mention that Peterson failed a drug test and the ref was shocking in that fight. I still had Khan winning despite that but yes it was close, a lot closer than it should have been. Khan should have finished him early. If there was a rematch Khan would be a massive fav. Also he was beating Garcia easily before he got caught. Is that even debateable. He won every round and opened a cut that was close to ending the fight. Fair play to Garcia for digging deep but again in a rematch Khan is a strong fav.

You need glasses if you think Con beat Peterson.

He got KTFO by Garcia and wants no parts of a rematch...him "winning" before he got sparked must be a joke or something.

[Ron Swanson]

You also fail to mention that Peterson failed a drug test and the ref was shocking in that fight. I still had Khan winning despite that but yes it was close, a lot closer than it should have been. Khan should have finished him early. If there was a rematch Khan would be a massive fav. Also he was beating Garcia easily before he got caught. Is that even debateable. He won every round and opened a cut that was close to ending the fight. Fair play to Garcia for digging deep but again in a rematch Khan is a strong fav.

The ref was shocking, Khan should have been deducted points far earlier. Khan couldn't do a darn thing without two hand shoving Peterson first. Khan simply can't fight for shit on the inside. His only recourse is to hold or push. Both are illegal. Every minute of that fight where Khan wasn't cheating Peterson was battering him. I was rooting for Khan but ashamed with all the fouling he was allowed to get away with keeping him in the fight. Of course after these last few years I will never root for Khan again because he thinks he is something he is not. He is not a fighter. A fighter pursues challenges and titles and in that paydays. Khan is another Haye milking the UK fans while doing nothing real.

And Garcia knocked him out. It was inevitable. Their entire plan was to time him. That's what you do to a faster guy, you punch with them. Because if you punch after they are gone. Of course you get hit doing this but they were prepared for that. The gameplan was executed beautifully(I hate that you are making me compliment Garcia) Khan was sparked right as he should have been. Most boxing fans can watch that fight and recognize the KO was inevitable from the action and that the points were irrelevant. It's a little sad to try to steal credit with "he won rounds" ignoring what was actually happening in the fight. It's like saying it's okay you shit your pants because you were on the way to the bathroom.

[corvette]

You also fail to mention that Peterson failed a drug test and the ref was shocking in that fight. I still had Khan winning despite that but yes it was close, a lot closer than it should have been. Khan should have finished him early. If there was a rematch Khan would be a massive fav. Also he was beating Garcia easily before he got caught. Is that even debateable. He won every round and opened a cut that was close to ending the fight. Fair play to Garcia for digging deep but again in a rematch Khan is a strong fav.

The ref was shocking, Khan should have been deducted points far earlier. Khan couldn't do a darn thing without two hand shoving Peterson first. Khan simply can't fight for shit on the inside. His only recourse is to hold or push. Both are illegal. Every minute of that fight where Khan wasn't cheating Peterson was battering him. I was rooting for Khan but ashamed with all the fouling he was allowed to get away with keeping him in the fight. Of course after these last few years I will never root for Khan again because he thinks he is something he is not. He is not a fighter. A fighter pursues challenges and titles and in that paydays. Khan is another Haye milking the UK fans while doing nothing real.

And Garcia knocked him out. It was inevitable. Their entire plan was to time him. That's what you do to a faster guy, you punch with them. Because if you punch after they are gone. Of course you get hit doing this but they were prepared for that. The gameplan was executed beautifully(I hate that you are making me compliment Garcia) Khan was sparked right as he should have been. Most boxing fans can watch that fight and recognize the KO was inevitable from the action and that the points were irrelevant. It's a little sad to try to steal credit with "he won rounds" ignoring what was actually happening in the fight. It's like saying it's okay you shit your pants because you were on the way to the bathroom.

^^^^^^This all day.

[Manos de Piedra]

You also fail to mention that Peterson failed a drug test and the ref was shocking in that fight. I still had Khan winning despite that but yes it was close, a lot closer than it should have been. Khan should have finished him early. If there was a rematch Khan would be a massive fav. Also he was beating Garcia easily before he got caught. Is that even debateable. He won every round and opened a cut that was close to ending the fight. Fair play to Garcia for digging deep but again in a rematch Khan is a strong fav.

The ref was shocking, Khan should have been deducted points far earlier. Khan couldn't do a darn thing without two hand shoving Peterson first. Khan simply can't fight for shit on the inside. His only recourse is to hold or push. Both are illegal. Every minute of that fight where Khan wasn't cheating Peterson was battering him. I was rooting for Khan but ashamed with all the fouling he was allowed to get away with keeping him in the fight. Of course after these last few years I will never root for Khan again because he thinks he is something he is not. He is not a fighter. A fighter pursues challenges and titles and in that paydays. Khan is another Haye milking the UK fans while doing nothing real.

And Garcia knocked him out. It was inevitable. Their entire plan was to time him. That's what you do to a faster guy, you punch with them. Because if you punch after they are gone. Of course you get hit doing this but they were prepared for that. The gameplan was executed beautifully(I hate that you are making me compliment Garcia) Khan was sparked right as he should have been. Most boxing fans can watch that fight and recognize the KO was inevitable from the action and that the points were irrelevant. It's a little sad to try to steal credit with "he won rounds" ignoring what was actually happening in the fight. It's like saying it's okay you shit your pants because you were on the way to the bathroom.

Love the analogy. I'll steal that for future use.

[Silkeyjoe]

You also fail to mention that Peterson failed a drug test and the ref was shocking in that fight. I still had Khan winning despite that but yes it was close, a lot closer than it should have been. Khan should have finished him early. If there was a rematch Khan would be a massive fav. Also he was beating Garcia easily before he got caught. Is that even debateable. He won every round and opened a cut that was close to ending the fight. Fair play to Garcia for digging deep but again in a rematch Khan is a strong fav.

The ref was shocking, Khan should have been deducted points far earlier. Khan couldn't do a darn thing without two hand shoving Peterson first. Khan simply can't fight for shit on the inside. His only recourse is to hold or push. Both are illegal. Every minute of that fight where Khan wasn't cheating Peterson was battering him. I was rooting for Khan but ashamed with all the fouling he was allowed to get away with keeping him in the fight. Of course after these last few years I will never root for Khan again because he thinks he is something he is not. He is not a fighter. A fighter pursues challenges and titles and in that paydays. Khan is another Haye milking the UK fans while doing nothing real.

And Garcia knocked him out. It was inevitable. Their entire plan was to time him. That's what you do to a faster guy, you punch with them. Because if you punch after they are gone. Of course you get hit doing this but they were prepared for that. The gameplan was executed beautifully(I hate that you are making me compliment Garcia) Khan was sparked right as he should have been. Most boxing fans can watch that fight and recognize the KO was inevitable from the action and that the points were irrelevant. It's a little sad to try to steal credit with "he won rounds" ignoring what was actually happening in the fight. It's like saying it's okay you shit your pants because you were on the way to the bathroom.

I disagree. Peterson was shoving his head into Khans chin the whole fight which is illegal. He leant on him to prevent getting head butted.

Garcias plan may have been to time him but him and his corner were in panic mode when the big punch landed. As i said Garcia could win by KO again but Id expect Khan to handle him easily. I wouldnt be surprised to see odds of 2/1 on Garcia in a rematch.

As for Khan not wanting a rematch, he did request an immediate rematch and offered 7 figures to Garcia for it which he turned down. It would have been a career high payday for Garcia too.

[Primo Carnera]

You also fail to mention that Peterson failed a drug test and the ref was shocking in that fight. I still had Khan winning despite that but yes it was close, a lot closer than it should have been. Khan should have finished him early. If there was a rematch Khan would be a massive fav. Also he was beating Garcia easily before he got caught. Is that even debateable. He won every round and opened a cut that was close to ending the fight. Fair play to Garcia for digging deep but again in a rematch Khan is a strong fav.

The ref was shocking, Khan should have been deducted points far earlier. Khan couldn't do a darn thing without two hand shoving Peterson first. Khan simply can't fight for shit on the inside. His only recourse is to hold or push. Both are illegal. Every minute of that fight where Khan wasn't cheating Peterson was battering him. I was rooting for Khan but ashamed with all the fouling he was allowed to get away with keeping him in the fight. Of course after these last few years I will never root for Khan again because he thinks he is something he is not. He is not a fighter. A fighter pursues challenges and titles and in that paydays. Khan is another Haye milking the UK fans while doing nothing real.

And Garcia knocked him out. It was inevitable. Their entire plan was to time him. That's what you do to a faster guy, you punch with them. Because if you punch after they are gone. Of course you get hit doing this but they were prepared for that. The gameplan was executed beautifully(I hate that you are making me compliment Garcia) Khan was sparked right as he should have been. Most boxing fans can watch that fight and recognize the KO was inevitable from the action and that the points were irrelevant. It's a little sad to try to steal credit with "he won rounds" ignoring what was actually happening in the fight. It's like saying it's okay you shit your pants because you were on the way to the bathroom.

I disagree. Peterson was shoving his head into Khans chin the whole fight which is illegal. He leant on him to prevent getting head butted.

Garcias plan may have been to time him but him and his corner were in panic mode when the big punch landed. As i said Garcia could win by KO again but Id expect Khan to handle him easily. I wouldnt be surprised to see odds of 2/1 on Garcia in a rematch.

As for Khan not wanting a rematch, he did request an immediate rematch and offered 7 figures to Garcia for it which he turned down. It would have been a career high payday for Garcia too.

First you start contradicting yourself, now you're dreaming! Who the fuck is Khan to offer 7 figures? He could offer 700 FUCKING FIGURES and it wouldn't matter. It wasn't his money to offer. He was Golden Boy's bitch at the time, it's up to them what Garcia would earn.
Bear in mind that in his last fight, after this "major transformation" he's had working under Virgil Hunter, his purse was $700k. That's after he's supposedly turned into something special with all the improvements he's made!!! so how the fuck is " he gonna offer Garcia a Million?"
There's not usually a call for a rematch after a 4th round KO. After Garcia beat Khan, he went on to beat Matthysse and virtually unify the division. What did Khan do? Oh yeah, he fought an unranked lightweight, followed by a career lightweight who was a bit long in the tooth, and he still manged to put Khan on his ass! Follow that up by someone who hasn't been relevant for 5 years and a non-punching ex- decent fighter in Alexander, and we're expected to believe the Khan is something special! Do me a favour.

[Silkeyjoe]

Garcia was offered 1 mil for an immediate rematch which was turned down, that came from Khan and Angel Garcia. Im not saying it was a duck from Garcia, he wanted to go a different route which is fine. Its amazing how hypocritical you are. If you didnt like Garcia you would be criticizing him for getting gifts over Herrera and scraping by Zab Judah at least I call it as it is for all fighters.

[Abelardus]

Hate broner, but he knocks out khan between rounds 5 and 7 if this fight happens.