Yes, thats why I didn't go generic and use (Founding Fathers) we call them that- did they call themselves that? So when we see (founding fathers) we have to be sure these aren't the words of revisionists. So, if they (founding fathers called themselves something else- what would it have been?)
I stated this 1. Federalists 2. AntiFederalists. As the Democatic Party wasnt created until Andrew Jackson's time. And the Republican Party here in Wisconsin was the result of the failed Whig Party headed by one Abe Lincoln.
Then I gave names like Madison to Hamilton aka Federalists.
And names like Patrick Henry- ANTI-Federalist I quote this dude: "Have they said, we, the States? Have they made a proposal of a compact between states? If they had, this would be a confederation: It is otherwise most clearly a consolidated government"
And what did Patrick Henry state about this Republic as it relates to the word: Democracy? He stated "It is not a democracy, wherein the people retain all their rights securely"
He goes on- who is he? One of our founding fathers I presume- or at least one who lived in the era of the so-called founding fathers state "our rights and privileges are endangered, and the sovereignty of the states will be relinquished I conceive this new Government to be one of those dangers"
Henry speaking to his collegeagues:
For when power is given to this Government to suppress these, or, for any other purpose, the language it assumes is clear, express, and unequivocal; but when this Constitution speaks of privileges, there is an ambiguity, Sir, a fatal ambiguity;-
"I mean, when it says that there shall not be more Representatives than one for every 30,000. Now, Sir, how easy is it to evade this privilege? Now, is it not clear that, from the first expression, the number might be reduced so much that some States should have no Representatives at all, were it not for the insertion of this last expression? "
I end with Patrick Henry- the man who said "give me liberty or give me death" stated this:
If you make the citizens of this country agree to become the subjects of one great consolidated empire of America, your Government will not have sufficient energy to keep them together: Such a Government is incompatible with the genius of republicanism: There will be no checks, no real balances, in this Government:
Why then tell us of dangers to terrify us into an adoption of this new Government? And yet who knows the dangers that this new system may produce; they are out of the sight of the common people:
Republic from what U state IMO represents a noun (a thing)
Democracy fron what U state IMO represents a verb (action) that is why I failed to understand how you try to compare the two- one is descriptive of the other- A (Constitutional) Republic that (practices) a Democracy.


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(aka the Federalists) over ruled those who were against government having too much control (aka Anti-Federalists) and using words that sounded unified, but had actions that proved otherwise for nations that preceded American Federalization like France to Spain.
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