Peterson vs Garcia - Thoughts

[Manos de Piedra]

I think if Peterson stopped pissing around and walked Garcia down earlier, he could have stopped him. Garcia looked tired and clueless towards the end. Garcia didn't win any real clear round whereas the rounds Peterson won were clear Peterson rounds. Gained some respect for Peterson, unless he gets caught on drugs again.Peterson didn't sit down between rounds either.

Another gift for Garcia thanks to Al Haymon. I scored it for Peterson even though I was trying to be nice to Garcia to cancel out my bias coz I don't like him.

[ykdadamaja]

Peterson should have walked him down earlier... if he fought for an extra 10-20 seconds extra in the 3rd, 4th and 5th, he would have won easily.

He has a lot left in the tank in the end... he should have just won earlier rounds.

I have seen fighters try this late rounds model before, it can backfire as it did last night: Don't wait for the 6th or 7th to turn up, and the 8th if you are splitting the rounds prior in your mind, is just too late if you have something left in the tank.

If you have a strategy for the long haul, try to win at least two of the first five rounds. Just try...

[Ron Swanson]

Peterson should have walked him down earlier... if he fought for an extra 10-20 seconds extra in the 3rd, 4th and 5th, he would have won easily.

He has a lot left in the tank in the end... he should have just won earlier rounds.

I have seen fighters try this late rounds model before, it can backfire as it did last night: Don't wait for the 6th or 7th to turn up, and the 8th if you are splitting the rounds prior in your mind, is just too late if you have something left in the tank.

If you have a strategy for the long haul, try to win at least two of the first five rounds. Just try...

I don't mean to be rude but quite simply you, like the judges, don't know what you saw. You didn't see what actually happened. Peterson did win early rounds. He just didn't do it the way you wanted. But that is supposed to be irrelevant. There are scoring criteria and by the scoring criteria Peterson won those rounds.

It's sad how many phony terms have been made up to cheat the proper scoring system like "fought negative" or "ran". There are rules, people need to stop making crap up and follow the rules. Peterson won that fight by the rules, that's why Garcia resorted to so much fouling. He knew he wasn't winning by the rules.

And even Gacia said "I lost, I lost" because Peterson first out boxed him, then he beat him up. He had Garcia any way he wanted him. He was the Ring General(a real scoring criteria)

[TitoFan]

Peterson should have walked him down earlier... if he fought for an extra 10-20 seconds extra in the 3rd, 4th and 5th, he would have won easily.

He has a lot left in the tank in the end... he should have just won earlier rounds.

I have seen fighters try this late rounds model before, it can backfire as it did last night: Don't wait for the 6th or 7th to turn up, and the 8th if you are splitting the rounds prior in your mind, is just too late if you have something left in the tank.

If you have a strategy for the long haul, try to win at least two of the first five rounds. Just try...

I don't mean to be rude but quite simply you, like the judges, don't know what you saw. You didn't see what actually happened. Peterson did win early rounds. He just didn't do it the way you wanted. But that is supposed to be irrelevant. There are scoring criteria and by the scoring criteria Peterson won those rounds.

It's sad how many phony terms have been made up to cheat the proper scoring system like "fought negative" or "ran". There are rules, people need to stop making crap up and follow the rules. Peterson won that fight by the rules, that's why Garcia resorted to so much fouling. He knew he wasn't winning by the rules.

And even Gacia said "I lost, I lost" because Peterson first out boxed him, then he beat him up. He had Garcia any way he wanted him. He was the Ring General(a real scoring criteria)

That is all well and good, Ron. But in the end, if you're not going to end a fight by knockout, then you're fighting to win the fight on the judges scorecards. What you as a fighter think you're doing is irrelevant, let's face it. At the end of the night, outcries be damned, it's the judges who put either the "W" or the "L" on your record.

I think Ykda makes a very good point about too many fighters singing their own tune, by dancing away more than half the fight, not throwing too many punches... and saving their real efforts till the last couple of rounds, sometimes coming out like the house is on fire in the 12th round. News flash: If you've waited 11 rounds wasting away precious time and them come out like gangbusters trying to win the fight in the last round..... you damn well deserve to lose.

Not defending Garcia or trashing Peterson, as like I said before, I was watching another fight. But what Ykda says happens all too often. It's like the person crashing countless times into the same brick wall before finally getting smart and going around the wall.

[VG_Addict]

The problem is that in the early rounds, especially the first round, Peterson was making Garcia miss, but he wasn't making him pay. Simply dodging punches isn't enough to win rounds, you gotta counter too.

[Spicoli]

Peterson has to be one of my least favorite fighters but I cannot see at all how this was considered a close fight. Peterson simply did what he wanted and his jab was sticking and resetting Garcia very effectively in those early rounds. Garcia was left in lurches and he looked flat and confused trying to catch up, his right hand early on was coming from his hip and very slappy. He could not sustain any form of attack and showed no form of a second gear.

[SlimTrae]

Lamont gave him a boxing lesson 1st half & a decent beating the 2nd 1/2. But as some have stated: some judges see aggression as a way to score- even though it should be effective aggression. Lamont's trainer knows this & should have turned the heat up by mid rounds-not after. They gave away the fight IMO.

[beenKOed]

Peterson should have walked him down earlier... if he fought for an extra 10-20 seconds extra in the 3rd, 4th and 5th, he would have won easily.

He has a lot left in the tank in the end... he should have just won earlier rounds.

I have seen fighters try this late rounds model before, it can backfire as it did last night: Don't wait for the 6th or 7th to turn up, and the 8th if you are splitting the rounds prior in your mind, is just too late if you have something left in the tank.

If you have a strategy for the long haul, try to win at least two of the first five rounds. Just try...

I don't mean to be rude but quite simply you, like the judges, don't know what you saw. You didn't see what actually happened. Peterson did win early rounds. He just didn't do it the way you wanted. But that is supposed to be irrelevant. There are scoring criteria and by the scoring criteria Peterson won those rounds.

It's sad how many phony terms have been made up to cheat the proper scoring system like "fought negative" or "ran". There are rules, people need to stop making crap up and follow the rules. Peterson won that fight by the rules, that's why Garcia resorted to so much fouling. He knew he wasn't winning by the rules.

And even Gacia said "I lost, I lost" because Peterson first out boxed him, then he beat him up. He had Garcia any way he wanted him. He was the Ring General(a real scoring criteria)

Ron, you should send a complaint to those two judges that gave the win to Garcia.
I agree with you that Peterson should have won, but he came to the fight with a boneheaded fight plan and stuck to it.
I don't know who came up with that, but they should never admit to it. What's wrong with the tried and true fight plan of trying to win every round as they come up? I can't imagine telling a fighter, "Hey kid, get in there and dazzle everyone with your speed and mobility while you wear him out, after 6 or 7 rounds go ahead and KO him. You might lose some or all of those dazzling 6 or 7 rounds, but don't worry about it because you're going to KO him, right?"
Ron, please don't talk to me about scoring criteria because my intolerance for stupidity and boring, boring fights trumps anything you have to say. To begin with Peterson should have lost the fight for trying to bore everyone to death for 6 rounds.
Not one of the three judges had Peterson winning, doesn't that register or tell you something? It tells me that judges don't like to see fighters dancing and prancing around the ring during a professional boxing match.

[corvette]

Peterson should have walked him down earlier... if he fought for an extra 10-20 seconds extra in the 3rd, 4th and 5th, he would have won easily.

He has a lot left in the tank in the end... he should have just won earlier rounds.

I have seen fighters try this late rounds model before, it can backfire as it did last night: Don't wait for the 6th or 7th to turn up, and the 8th if you are splitting the rounds prior in your mind, is just too late if you have something left in the tank.

If you have a strategy for the long haul, try to win at least two of the first five rounds. Just try...

I don't mean to be rude but quite simply you, like the judges, don't know what you saw. You didn't see what actually happened. Peterson did win early rounds. He just didn't do it the way you wanted. But that is supposed to be irrelevant. There are scoring criteria and by the scoring criteria Peterson won those rounds.

It's sad how many phony terms have been made up to cheat the proper scoring system like "fought negative" or "ran". There are rules, people need to stop making crap up and follow the rules. Peterson won that fight by the rules, that's why Garcia resorted to so much fouling. He knew he wasn't winning by the rules.

And even Gacia said "I lost, I lost" because Peterson first out boxed him, then he beat him up. He had Garcia any way he wanted him. He was the Ring General(a real scoring criteria)

Ron, you should send a complaint to those two judges that gave the win to Garcia.
I agree with you that Peterson should have won, but he came to the fight with a boneheaded fight plan and stuck to it.
I don't know who came up with that, but they should never admit to it. What's wrong with the tried and true fight plan of trying to win every round as they come up? I can't imagine telling a fighter, "Hey kid, get in there and dazzle everyone with your speed and mobility while you wear him out, after 6 or 7 rounds go ahead and KO him. You might lose some or all of those dazzling 6 or 7 rounds, but don't worry about it because you're going to KO him, right?"
Ron, please don't talk to me about scoring criteria because my intolerance for stupidity and boring, boring fights trumps anything you have to say. To begin with Peterson should have lost the fight for trying to bore everyone to death for 6 rounds.
Not one of the three judges had Peterson winning, doesn't that register or tell you something? It tells me that judges don't like to see fighters dancing and prancing around the ring during a professional boxing match.

You can't score a fight.

Peterson didn't lose every round he moved around in.

[beenKOed]

Peterson should have walked him down earlier... if he fought for an extra 10-20 seconds extra in the 3rd, 4th and 5th, he would have won easily.

He has a lot left in the tank in the end... he should have just won earlier rounds.

I have seen fighters try this late rounds model before, it can backfire as it did last night: Don't wait for the 6th or 7th to turn up, and the 8th if you are splitting the rounds prior in your mind, is just too late if you have something left in the tank.

If you have a strategy for the long haul, try to win at least two of the first five rounds. Just try...

I don't mean to be rude but quite simply you, like the judges, don't know what you saw. You didn't see what actually happened. Peterson did win early rounds. He just didn't do it the way you wanted. But that is supposed to be irrelevant. There are scoring criteria and by the scoring criteria Peterson won those rounds.

It's sad how many phony terms have been made up to cheat the proper scoring system like "fought negative" or "ran". There are rules, people need to stop making crap up and follow the rules. Peterson won that fight by the rules, that's why Garcia resorted to so much fouling. He knew he wasn't winning by the rules.

And even Gacia said "I lost, I lost" because Peterson first out boxed him, then he beat him up. He had Garcia any way he wanted him. He was the Ring General(a real scoring criteria)

Ron, you should send a complaint to those two judges that gave the win to Garcia.
I agree with you that Peterson should have won, but he came to the fight with a boneheaded fight plan and stuck to it.
I don't know who came up with that, but they should never admit to it. What's wrong with the tried and true fight plan of trying to win every round as they come up? I can't imagine telling a fighter, "Hey kid, get in there and dazzle everyone with your speed and mobility while you wear him out, after 6 or 7 rounds go ahead and KO him. You might lose some or all of those dazzling 6 or 7 rounds, but don't worry about it because you're going to KO him, right?"
Ron, please don't talk to me about scoring criteria because my intolerance for stupidity and boring, boring fights trumps anything you have to say. To begin with Peterson should have lost the fight for trying to bore everyone to death for 6 rounds.
Not one of the three judges had Peterson winning, doesn't that register or tell you something? It tells me that judges don't like to see fighters dancing and prancing around the ring during a professional boxing match.

You can't score a fight.

Peterson didn't lose every round he moved around in.

I don't want to score a fight, I want to see a fight!

Who said he lost every round he moved around in, not me!
None of the judges had Peterson winning the fight and two judges had Peterson definitely losing.
The sad truth is that Peterson would have won the fight, easily, if he had left his super duper, dazzling footwork in the gym and come out fighting in the 1st round like he did in the 7th round.
We can agree on that can't we?

[walrus]

I see people critiquing Peterson's fight plan. I think he had a good framework for fighting Garcia. If he went toe to toe and turned it into a brawl I think the fight would have swung in Garcia's favor. I really thought Danny was going to be a big deal and I like his personality but he is really not performing as I was hoping he would. People are saying he is in line for Floyd. That would be a joke, I would be surprised if he hit Floyd at all during the fight. I wouldn't waste my time watching it. Danny needs to dump his father and get a new trainer. I guess having family in your camp can be a bad thing. I don't think his father would be willing to acknowledge reality and it would be tough to fire your on father. Peterson is a good fighter and I like the guy but Danny made him look much better than he is.

[imp]

Chris is my private stalker..I have learnt to love him.

[Manos de Piedra]

Some great points made by you guys.
I hope Garcia gives Peterson the rematch so the right man can win or fight Maidana so he can wreck him and shut Silly Angel Garcia up.

[Manos de Piedra]

Peterson should have walked him down earlier... if he fought for an extra 10-20 seconds extra in the 3rd, 4th and 5th, he would have won easily.

He has a lot left in the tank in the end... he should have just won earlier rounds.

I have seen fighters try this late rounds model before, it can backfire as it did last night: Don't wait for the 6th or 7th to turn up, and the 8th if you are splitting the rounds prior in your mind, is just too late if you have something left in the tank.

If you have a strategy for the long haul, try to win at least two of the first five rounds. Just try...

I don't mean to be rude but quite simply you, like the judges, don't know what you saw. You didn't see what actually happened. Peterson did win early rounds. He just didn't do it the way you wanted. But that is supposed to be irrelevant. There are scoring criteria and by the scoring criteria Peterson won those rounds.

It's sad how many phony terms have been made up to cheat the proper scoring system like "fought negative" or "ran". There are rules, people need to stop making crap up and follow the rules. Peterson won that fight by the rules, that's why Garcia resorted to so much fouling. He knew he wasn't winning by the rules.

And even Gacia said "I lost, I lost" because Peterson first out boxed him, then he beat him up. He had Garcia any way he wanted him. He was the Ring General(a real scoring criteria)

Peterson says the same thing here, around the 2.24 mark.

https://youtu.be/LCIhIjj9vR0?t=2m24s