Andy Lee - Billy Joe Saunders, who wins?

[Dark Lord Al]

I would love to see Lee v Saunders and GGG v Eubank .

[Fenster]

It's refreshing to hear a young fighter say "Golovkin would kill me and him on the same night." It's called being a realist.

Billy Joe will box Lee's head off but might not be strong enough to win. Good fight.

Judging by Lee-Quillin - Eubank jr would beat both now.

[ross]

It's refreshing to hear a young fighter say "Golovkin would kill me and him on the same night." It's called being a realist.

Billy Joe will box Lee's head off but might not be strong enough to win. Good fight.

Judging by Lee-Quillin - Eubank jr would beat both now.

It might be refreshing but as a manager or promotor you would be concerned at where your fighters head is at when he says that he cant beat certain fighters. When you are pumping your own money in to promoting that fighter you want him to at least believe in himself.

England never do anything at the world cup but would never say they would be beaten and so would Germany in the same night by Brazil and as a supporter you wouldn't want to hear that either.

Maybe thats why frank has put him in with someone who has 9 losses. Maybe Saunders needs the confidence boost.

[Master]

It's refreshing to hear a young fighter say "Golovkin would kill me and him on the same night." It's called being a realist.

Billy Joe will box Lee's head off but might not be strong enough to win. Good fight.

Judging by Lee-Quillin - Eubank jr would beat both now.

It might be refreshing but as a manager or promotor you would be concerned at where your fighters head is at when he says that he cant beat certain fighters. When you are pumping your own money in to promoting that fighter you want him to at least believe in himself.

England never do anything at the world cup but would never say they would be beaten and so would Germany in the same night by Brazil and as a supporter you wouldn't want to hear that either.

Maybe thats why frank has put him in with someone who has 9 losses. Maybe Saunders needs the confidence boost.

What Saunders said is the truth and he should be applauded with his honesty. Not criticised for lacking confidence and self belief.

[Primo Carnera]

To be fair to Saunders , I think the point he was making was to highlight the ridiculousness of the comments made by the the Eubank camp that Jr. (Bearing in mind that at the time he was no more than a novice) "could beat Golovkin tomorrow , and the only boxer on the planet that would beat him in the MW AND SMW divisions was Andre Ward!
If by chance Saunders was due to fight GGG , I don't think he would be saying anything different to what Martin Murray said in his build up. Along the lines of "GGG is a great fighter and I'll be honest I haven't seen many weaknesses , but I think I can win."
Nobody thought Murray was being defeatist, just honest.

[ross]

To be fair to Saunders , I think the point he was making was to highlight the ridiculousness of the comments made by the the Eubank camp that Jr. (Bearing in mind that at the time he was no more than a novice) "could beat Golovkin tomorrow , and the only boxer on the planet that would beat him in the MW AND SMW divisions was Andre Ward!
If by chance Saunders was due to fight GGG , I don't think he would be saying anything different to what Martin Murray said in his build up. Along the lines of "GGG is a great fighter and I'll be honest I haven't seen many weaknesses , but I think I can win."
Nobody thought Murray was being defeatist, just honest.

Murray wasn't being defeatist. He said he thought he could win.

Saunders says he himself has no chance against Golovkin. Its embarrassing, have some gumption!

It was actually Eubank Sr that said all this and really, who gives a fuck? Id rather hear a fighter say he's going to beat another than listen to whiny, snivelly, wimpy, rubbish.

You have to believe in yourself or no one will get behind you. Who's going to want to watch a fighter who thinks the result is full gone conclusion against him? Would you pay for that?

Would you fuck! We pay to watch a fight!

[Primo Carnera]

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To be fair to Saunders , I think the point he was making was to highlight the ridiculousness of the comments made by the the Eubank camp that Jr. (Bearing in mind that at the time he was no more than a novice) "could beat Golovkin tomorrow , and the only boxer on the planet that would beat him in the MW AND SMW divisions was Andre Ward!
If by chance Saunders was due to fight GGG , I don't think he would be saying anything different to what Martin Murray said in his build up. Along the lines of "GGG is a great fighter and I'll be honest I haven't seen many weaknesses , but I think I can win."
Nobody thought Murray was being defeatist, just honest.

Murray wasn't being defeatist. He said he thought he could win.
that's right, and like I said, if Saunders was fighting GGG, he would say the same. Do you seriously think that Saunders would chicken out of a fight with GGG? Get real.

Saunders says he himself has no chance against Golovkin. Its embarrassing, have some gumption!
it's not embarrassing, I'm not the only person to say that his honesty is refreshing. If he got in the ring with GGG, It wouldn't make any difference what he said.

It was actually Eubank Sr that said all this and really, who gives a fuck? Id rather hear a fighter say he's going to beat another than listen to whiny, snivelly, wimpy, rubbish.
I did say it came from the Eubank camp, I know it was a Eubank fucking Sr. Who said it! However, Jr. Has backed that up as well. As for supposedly whiny , snivelly, wimpy,rubbish, well I'd rather hear that than some novice and his pushy parent say he could beat the best fighter in the division on this planet tomorrow, because that smacks of a disrespectful , delusional,arrogant twat who has achieved absolutely fuck all yet, and it also makes every fighter in between him and GGG in the division think "what a cunt!"

You have to believe in yourself or no one will get behind you. Who's going to want to watch a fighter who thinks the result is full gone conclusion against him? Would you pay for that?
Of course you have to believe in yourself, but more importantly, you have to back it up or risk making yourself look a complete cunt. And let's not forget , the 1st time he stepped up (to nowhere near GGG's level btw.) he fucking lost, and I don't give a flying fuck about whether YOU THINK HE WON , or how close it was, he FUCKING LOST!!!!

Would you fuck! We pay to watch a fight!

Exactly! We pay to watch a fight, we don't pay to see which fighter talks themselves up the most, or has the most belief, we ultimately pay to see what they can do in the ring! And so far, he has not delivered anywhere near what he and HIS CAMP think he can do.
The difference is that his old man talked and still talks shit, but knows it's a game, and then you back it up , and fair play to him, he did. But Jr. Hasn't been told the script, this fucker genuinely believes he is the second coming of Christ!!!!!
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[Lepinthehood]

Saunders outboxes lee