There needs to be an immediate rematch (Manny/Floyd)

[beenKOed]

Yeah, Pac is injured. A tear in the shoulder and out for up to a year. This is Klitschko/Byrd style bad and maybe I have been too harsh on Manny. It's tough and rough and a shame. Well, there you go. Fight of the Century....not really. I guess no rematch, but the fight answered NO questions and Floyd Mayweather is as much a Manny crusher as Byrd is a Vitali destroyer. Best against best my opinion is the same, but I guess we will never find out. I laugh at suggestions that Floyd is the best ever. Pfft. Not even close. I guess Chris Byrd is those top 3 all time HW lists too! Bwahahahaa!

Manny Pacquiao to have surgery on "significant tear" of rotator cuff in right shoulder

I shall return when Manny's next fight is announced. I shall contact him, offer him political advice, English lessons, and help him with the next propaganda initiative. Could it be an Ali style comeback? After all, Ali lost to Frazier first time out. A real man offers a rematch. If not for the humanity.....then for the money.

Gandalf you never fail to amaze me, your heart is not only brave and romantic, it is also kind and giving. A good person thru and thru.
You are starting to annoy me! lol

[corvette]

I had the fight even at the half way mark, but Manny did diddly squat in the second half. Even early he showed little fire, his combo's were ragged, his footwork was poor. Manny seemed to be asleep in the first round and all that grinning. Where was the anger, the fury, the will? That was a poor imitation of Manny Pac, but it wasn't just physical. The grinning and complicity in fighting a Mayweather type of fight suggested that mentally Manny wasn't up for the job. Just maybe this is a man who is too rich, too comfortable, too in love with his life, and it maybe wasn't just a physical injury. I don't know. Maybe he was resigned because of the injury, but to take that money knowing that? I couldn't rest easy knowing I had duped so many. Manny certainly hasn't been looking to seek and destroy for a long time now and that was one of the lamest assaults on Mayweather ever seen. Manny needs to look in the mirror, stop smiling and ask A LOT of questions. He is nearly 37. If he doesn't have it then walk away, but if he has then lay it on the line and show the world and do it for enough money to cover his team and just know he gave it his best shot. It's time for some post Clubber Laing evaluation. Jinkee needs to do an Adrien, look him in the eye and say 'Manny, what do you want?'.

I knew you wouldn't keep your word and leave the forum.

Thanks for proving me right.You had to crawl back on your belly on a slimy wave of EXCUSES...

Floyd mesmerized that bitch.

That's why he was so ragged and footwork so shitty.

An immediate rematch sees Manny really getting worked over....Mayweather knows him now...he'd get all those excuses stuffed right up his ass.

Mayweather showed him what real footwork looks like.


Carlos Baldomir did better than Manny

[IamInuit]

The injury report is a crock and lets face it its not beyond possible that Manny had his political career on the line in this fight and realized he wanted to retire halfway through it. He now goes in and has a bone spur removed via elective surgery and ties it to the fight.

Why would you even consider going through with a fight of this magnitude with a serious shoulder problem? How does the shoulder explain his feet being frozen and his head appearing to have no neck?
His entire after boxing life rested on this fight and he got humbled anyway you want to dress it up.

Oh and here is more news from the NSAC.

LAS VEGAS (AP) — Manny Pacquiao could face disciplinary action from Nevada boxing officials for failing to disclose a shoulder injury before his fight with Floyd Mayweather Jr.

Nevada Athletic Commission chairman Francisco Aguilar said Monday that the state attorney general's office will look at why Pacquiao checked "no" a day before the fight on a commission questionnaire asking if he had a shoulder injury.

"We will gather all the facts and follow the circumstances," Aguilar said. "At some point we will have some discussion. As a licensee of the commission you want to make sure fighters are giving you up-to-date information."


Pacquiao could face a possible fine or suspension for not answering the question accurately on a form he filled out just before Friday's weigh-in. He would go on to lose a unanimous decision to Mayweather in the richest fight ever.

Meanwhile, orthopedic surgeon Dr. Neal ElAttrache told ESPN.com that Pacquiao will undergo surgery later this week to repair a "significant tear" in his rotator cuff. ElAttrache examined Pacquiao on Monday at his Kerlan Jobe Orthopedics office in Los Angeles.

Pacquiao's promoter put out a statement on behalf of the fighter late Monday afternoon saying that the injury was disclosed to the U.S. Anti-Doping Agency, which approved the use of an anti-inflammatory shot for the fight. But USADA was only a third party to the fight, charged only with testing the fighters for banned substances in training and the night of the bout.

"We had no medical information, no MRIs, no documents," said Travis Tygart, who heads the USADA. "It was not an anti-doping issue. The real question is why his camp checked 'no' on the disclosure. Either they made a terrible mistake to not follow the rules or they were trying not to give information to the other side. I'm not sure there's a middle ground."

Tygart said his agency, which was hired by promoters to oversee drug testing for the bout, was contacted April 7 asking about the use of various substances and whether they were allowed under anti-doping rules. He said there was another call 10 days later asking about using a different substance, but that USADA was not told exactly what the treatments were for.

A little more than two hours before the fight, Pacquiao's corner asked Nevada regulators if he could be given a shot of Toradol, an anti-inflammatory. Aguilar denied it, saying the commission had no previous indication there was an injury and could not allow a shot in fairness to the Mayweather camp.

"Our job is to protect the health and safety of fighters and the integrity of the sport," Aguilar said. "We expect our fighters to be forthright."

Pacquiao said after the fight that his shoulder had improved and he was hopeful of fighting with the shot. He said it didn't bother him until the fourth round, when he hit Mayweather with a big left hand and went after him with a series of punches.

Pacquiao's trainer, Freddie Roach, said the shoulder was getting better by the day in training camp.

"We thought at one time we'd postpone the fight, but as the weeks went on it was getting better and I was happy with his performance," Roach said. "I thought the progress was good enough."

Nevada Athletic Commission executive director Bob Bennett said Pacquiao filled out the form himself and understood the questions. A copy of the form was posted earlier on the True.Ink website, signed by both Pacquiao and his manager, Michael Koncz.

"It's not just the fact he didn't fill out the question completely, it was that he wasn't honest and they didn't tell us a month ago when he had the shoulder injury," Bennett said. "They're not obligated to, but two hours before the fight they wanted a shot that's a pain killer in essence. That put us in a very precarious position."

In the statement released by Pacquiao's camp, they said Pacquiao decided to proceed with the fight even without the shot.

"As Manny has said multiple times, he makes no excuses," the statement read. "Manny gave it his best."

Premeditation- the action of planning something beforehand which could also include an excuse.

[Gandalf]

When it comes to serious injuries, we do have to accept them regardless of who it is. If you can back it up and it is legit, then fair enough I say and yes, I would say that of Floyd Mayweather too. However, you shouldn't fight with one arm and Manny was wrong to go ahead with it. I guess on a scale that big, you are dealing with people taking time off of work and booking hotels etc. You are an economy in an of yourself and it's a tricky one. Personally, I would have cancelled, but that is because I think legacy is more important than some big wig coming to watch me. It was his call to make and I think the wrong one judging by the fallout and excuses. He might not get another chance and a year out will age him and he won't be the same. Maybe he thought that and decided to take a risk, but like I say, I think it was poor judgement.

Corvette, I have left the forum and returned more than all other posters combined. In this thread alone I have left and returned. You would need to be a mathematician to compile to the stats on me leaving.

[IamInuit]

There is simply no validity to the injury, nor the faulty logic used to justify or explain why they went through with the fight if it was legit. That's the bottom line. Economics does not cut it and if it does he should be charged with a crime like fraud and forced to refund all the buyers.

[Andre]

There is simply no validity to the injury, nor the faulty logic used to justify or explain why they went through with the fight if it was legit. That's the bottom line. Economics does not cut it and if it does he should be charged with a crime like fraud and forced to refund all the buyers.

Yeah I want a refund! Hang on I didnt buy it.

[Gandalf]

I don't know the truth and neither do most of us. All I know is Manny was either shot or injured and judging by previous showings you would assume he was injured. Still, we don't know for sure. I hope as a man of God Manny wouldn't tell porkies or make things up. But that's the worrying thing about religious people, they tend to make up these entities and say they are more moral despite being less moral and thinking they get away with it because they secretly apologize to the made up being. Isn't that schizophrenia or something like that? I seem to be going on theological/psychological tangent with a bit of personal judgment thrown in. Give me credit guys, my rematch thread does appear to be more interesting than the other one AND I chipped a toenail a couple of days ago. Can you imagine that? I even went for a walk this morning. Now, I am not making any excuses, but I think I should get some surgery and maybe take a few months off of work and maybe post more about politics.

[Gandalf]

There is simply no validity to the injury, nor the faulty logic used to justify or explain why they went through with the fight if it was legit. That's the bottom line. Economics does not cut it and if it does he should be charged with a crime like fraud and forced to refund all the buyers.

Absolutely. He should return all of his fight take if he knowingly fought injured and the stats don't lie. Manny didn't do his nights work, he seemed to give up early, and did a worse job than Baldomir in terms of landed punches. I don't think Baldomir took home such a purse. So what if a rich dude has to cancel a hotel, I think ethics is more important. Like I say, Manny has a lot of thinking to do. All I know is that wasn't Manny Pac the warrior, but only he knows the truth.

[Gandalf]

I seem to be losing my desire for a rematch. Even if there was an injury, then I see the arguments made and like I said, Manny has shat on himself. Maybe politics should welcome him with open arms and that was his initiation ceremony. 'You will rip people off and have no shame doing so? You will grin as you fleece the public? You shall be President!'. Well done, Manny. A real shame.

[Ron Swanson]

The NSAC isn't being fair to Manny, so he lied on his paperwork. We've seen him lie for years, they know he is pathological and that is a pre-existing condition. You can't punish someone for a pre-existing condition everyone is aware of already.

[walrus]

The NSAC isn't being fair to Manny, so he lied on his paperwork. We've seen him lie for years, they know he is pathological and that is a pre-existing condition. You can't punish someone for a pre-existing condition everyone is aware of already.

[Ron Swanson]

The NSAC isn't being fair to Manny, so he lied on his paperwork. We've seen him lie for years, they know he is pathological and that is a pre-existing condition. You can't punish someone for a pre-existing condition everyone is aware of already.

Well I thought it was funny 😊
Guess I'll have to work on my material. With so many excuses I'll have other chances to get it right.

[Dark Lord Al]

I just cannot help myself with my addictive, narcissistic personality and all. You know, Andre. I feel really bad for all those people who spent a lot of money on the PPV, the tickets, even paying for a flipping weigh in just to have Manny grinning in the ring and then moaning about a shoulder injury afterwards. How can you grin in the ring and then claim an injury? You should be furious, angry, driven if you fight or else more sensible in calling it off if you are injured. Manny has only himself to blame in that regard. I think he has done a giant poop on himself and his reputation with this. However, that was far from the Manny Pac we have seen over the years, it wasn't even close and I think that was obvious. In terms of aesthetics I want to see the best against the best at their best and when one fighter is disabled, it really does detract from it all.

Personally, I don't care for the circus or the money. I watched the fight for free, I am not massively invested in either fighter, but I want to see the best fight the best. Heck, Manny should do it for free if he is serious. I've never understood why people get so interested in the money side of things. As a man you have to make a point and that is all it ever comes down to for me. There is more to life than pantomime and money and in this instance I want to see a man with two arms fight another man with two arms. Let the greedy take all the money, it would also show us what really motivates Manny Pac too. Legacy or money? He needs to rise from the dead and money should not be the object, it should be faith. Manny lost a lot of faith with the performance and by taking the money with an obvious injury he needs to redeem himself.

I'm not so sure Floyd feels the same having banked his 200,000,000 million on the back of an easy nights work. Why take the risk, eh? It was already taken and a free injury too. Floyd is no Barrera or Morales.

Please don't bother to feel sorry for anyone , its only you who cares either way. I bought the fight and it went pretty much as I thought , that is life get over it.

[ruthless rocco]

According to the Las Vegas Review Journal, NSAC chairman Francisco Aguilar has asked the state attorney general’s office to look into whether Pacquiao committed perjury by signing a pre-fight medical questionnaire where “no” was checked to the question “Have you had any injury to your shoulders, elbows, or hands that needed evaluation or examination? If yes, explain.”

from fightnews article... http://www.fightnews.com/Boxing/pacq...nd-nsac-289531

[Gandalf]

I just cannot help myself with my addictive, narcissistic personality and all. You know, Andre. I feel really bad for all those people who spent a lot of money on the PPV, the tickets, even paying for a flipping weigh in just to have Manny grinning in the ring and then moaning about a shoulder injury afterwards. How can you grin in the ring and then claim an injury? You should be furious, angry, driven if you fight or else more sensible in calling it off if you are injured. Manny has only himself to blame in that regard. I think he has done a giant poop on himself and his reputation with this. However, that was far from the Manny Pac we have seen over the years, it wasn't even close and I think that was obvious. In terms of aesthetics I want to see the best against the best at their best and when one fighter is disabled, it really does detract from it all.

Personally, I don't care for the circus or the money. I watched the fight for free, I am not massively invested in either fighter, but I want to see the best fight the best. Heck, Manny should do it for free if he is serious. I've never understood why people get so interested in the money side of things. As a man you have to make a point and that is all it ever comes down to for me. There is more to life than pantomime and money and in this instance I want to see a man with two arms fight another man with two arms. Let the greedy take all the money, it would also show us what really motivates Manny Pac too. Legacy or money? He needs to rise from the dead and money should not be the object, it should be faith. Manny lost a lot of faith with the performance and by taking the money with an obvious injury he needs to redeem himself.

I'm not so sure Floyd feels the same having banked his 200,000,000 million on the back of an easy nights work. Why take the risk, eh? It was already taken and a free injury too. Floyd is no Barrera or Morales.

Please don't bother to feel sorry for anyone , its only you who cares either way. I bought the fight and it went pretty much as I thought , that is life get over it.

True, but a hundred bucks is a lot of money and frankly neither of those two fighters were even worth a quarter of that. If it wasn't the spoiling, it was the low output. I think the average punter who paid to watch that should be a bit annoyed and more so by the shenanigans. Life goes on, but I like to see snakeoil salesmen face the guillotine. They would get their stories straight minus a paycheck and with the guillotine looming. There should be a rematch free of charge on FNF's as an apology for it all.