Tyson & Pacquiao

[El Kabong]

When you saw Tyson outboxed finally, that is what I'm talking about when I say "his style was one dimensional". If Tyson couldn't put you down either due to your chin or defense AND you basically does as Wlad does now or as Lennox Lewis did and use your height and reach while you tie up on the inside to get the ref to break and reset you it kills his timing, it kills his ability to work on the inside and make use of his short arms and fast hands, it takes away the uppercut, it wears on his legs and upper body and he's at your mercy. Tyson didn't make those things easy to do or anything, and I'm not discrediting how great he was using that style, but once you take away the inside fight game and you use quality defense then he just can't win rounds. Holyfield didn't even stay at distance, he took Tyson's first huge bomb but then it was a catch and counter, catch and counter, and Tyson couldn't cope.

James Ali Bashir said that Tyson and Donovan Rudduck ruined each other in their 2 matches. They fought about 100 days apart and just beat the shit out of each other.

When you look at Pacquiao his timing is weird when it's on, it's amazing, and when it's off it's well off. Part of that I think is do to his rhythm which is a whole other can of worms to discuss.

[SlimTrae]

Tyson did brake some bones in their second fight, but he also got a lot of point deductions due to his frustrations of not being able to stop Ruddock?

Hard to dispute the idea that Tyson & ,Ruddock may have beaten the fight out of each other.
Really solid points by both of you.

[Master]

Tyson was disintegrating after Spinks, losing Jacobs and then Rooney, you could see his life and boxing going downhill. He looked awful against Bruno and it was only a matter of time he would be beat. Buster did it and if it was Holyfield he could have done it by 1990.

He was only 24 when he beat Razzor.

[Sleepwalker]

Tyson was disintegrating after Spinks, losing Jacobs and then Rooney, you could see his life and boxing going downhill. He looked awful against Bruno and it was only a matter of time he would be beat. Buster did it and if it was Holyfield he could have done it by 1990.

He was only 24 when he beat Razzor.

Tyson left himself open a few times. He would have gotten rocked by other competent, alert fighters.

[Master]

Tyson was disintegrating after Spinks, losing Jacobs and then Rooney, you could see his life and boxing going downhill. He looked awful against Bruno and it was only a matter of time he would be beat. Buster did it and if it was Holyfield he could have done it by 1990.

He was only 24 when he beat Razzor.

Tyson left himself open a few times. He would have gotten rocked by other competent, alert fighters.

You could count on one hand the times prime Tyson was caught, uppercut against Tucker and right hand against Bonecrusher as well as left hook against Bruno. That was how good his defence was. Tyson's chin was solid.

[El Kabong]

Tyson was disintegrating after Spinks, losing Jacobs and then Rooney, you could see his life and boxing going downhill. He looked awful against Bruno and it was only a matter of time he would be beat. Buster did it and if it was Holyfield he could have done it by 1990.

He was only 24 when he beat Razzor.

Tyson left himself open a few times. He would have gotten rocked by other competent, alert fighters.

Yes but at the same time when you threw against Tyson and missed then you knew what was coming after that miss and that kept a lot of guys from throwing punches they could have landed....a lot of it was guys not confident enough of landing clean on Mike.

[Sleepwalker]

Tyson was disintegrating after Spinks, losing Jacobs and then Rooney, you could see his life and boxing going downhill. He looked awful against Bruno and it was only a matter of time he would be beat. Buster did it and if it was Holyfield he could have done it by 1990.

He was only 24 when he beat Razzor.

Tyson left himself open a few times. He would have gotten rocked by other competent, alert fighters.

Yes but at the same time when you threw against Tyson and missed then you knew what was coming after that miss and that kept a lot of guys from throwing punches they could have landed....a lot of it was guys not confident enough of landing clean on Mike.

Yeah, I forgot to mention FEAR. They were gun shy because they just plain afraid.

[Master]

Tyson was disintegrating after Spinks, losing Jacobs and then Rooney, you could see his life and boxing going downhill. He looked awful against Bruno and it was only a matter of time he would be beat. Buster did it and if it was Holyfield he could have done it by 1990.

He was only 24 when he beat Razzor.

Tyson left himself open a few times. He would have gotten rocked by other competent, alert fighters.

Yes but at the same time when you threw against Tyson and missed then you knew what was coming after that miss and that kept a lot of guys from throwing punches they could have landed....a lot of it was guys not confident enough of landing clean on Mike.

Yeah, I forgot to mention FEAR. They were gun shy because they just plain afraid.

Yes they were. Tyson should have gone to their dressing room and comforted them before they fought.

[El Kabong]

Those guys came honest by that fear because when he was on Tyson would make any 1 mistake an opponent made a fight ending mistake with his speed and power

[Ron Swanson]

Aggressive fighters are always wildly overrated because they look so good when they win. But they can't adjust like boxers.