Tyson & Pacquiao

[fan johnny]

Two fighters whose fans have misconstrued the word "exciting" in place of "great".

It's great to see exciting fighters but that doesn't make them great.
As being so called boring to watch doesn't eliminate any athlete from being considered as great.
If Pac or Tyson were Quarterbacks in the National football ball leagues, they IMO would play like Brett Favre: gun slingers who are either throwing touchdowns or interceptions.
Floyd IMO would be like Joe Montana: no strong arm. Doesn't run out of the pocket, yet wins Super Bowl after super bowl.
ATGs find ways to win.

Tyson per Cuss D'amato didn't have the style to beat certain fighters Holyfield proved it.Whooped his ass once and before he could whoop his ass twice, Tyson bit his way out..
Pac just can't beat JMM or any master counter puncher

PBf. Bhop, Ali, Calzaghe, Holmes, These fighters define ATG.
They find ways to win, even if they have to change styles.
Hell, that's what makes them great.

I Enjoy watching Pac & Tyson. THEY BRING IT!
Yet they have no plan B when needed. That makes them exciting , BUT not GREAT.
Great rebuttals welcome..

It's an insult to football. Football is a team sport. Quaterbacks, even the elite athletes have to use other players to be great at the game. Boxing is an individual effort.

I think they were both great fighters and their accomplishments pretty much prove that. They may not have superior defensive skills but that also doesn't mean they are not great offensive boxers. There is plenty of context to use the term "Great Fighters" with these two fighters.

[SlimTrae]

Two fighters whose fans have misconstrued the word "exciting" in place of "great".

It's great to see exciting fighters but that doesn't make them great.
As being so called boring to watch doesn't eliminate any athlete from being considered as great.
If Pac or Tyson were Quarterbacks in the National football ball leagues, they IMO would play like Brett Favre: gun slingers who are either throwing touchdowns or interceptions.
Floyd IMO would be like Joe Montana: no strong arm. Doesn't run out of the pocket, yet wins Super Bowl after super bowl.
ATGs find ways to win.

Tyson per Cuss D'amato didn't have the style to beat certain fighters Holyfield proved it.Whooped his ass once and before he could whoop his ass twice, Tyson bit his way out..
Pac just can't beat JMM or any master counter puncher

PBf. Bhop, Ali, Calzaghe, Holmes, These fighters define ATG.
They find ways to win, even if they have to change styles.
Hell, that's what makes them great.

I Enjoy watching Pac & Tyson. THEY BRING IT!
Yet they have no plan B when needed. That makes them exciting , BUT not GREAT.
Great rebuttals welcome..

It's an insult to football. Football is a team sport. Quaterbacks, even the elite athletes have to use other players to be great at the game. Boxing is an individual effort.

I think they were both great fighters and their accomplishments pretty much prove that. They may not have superior defensive skills but that also doesn't mean they are not great offensive boxers. There is plenty of context to use the term "Great Fighters" with these two fighters.

I was referring to the excitement Favre brought.
Maybe you've never seen Favre play live.
He was a thrill to watch. Because he was wreckless.
Pac is also. Remember when he used to throw off balance just to score a point or a ko?
Favre was the first qb to throw off his back foot...regularly.

Just because football is a team sport doesn't mean an athlete from boxing, track, or golf can't have an athlete to compare with an athlete who comes from a team sport.

[SlimTrae]

I missed the great offensive fighter comment.
No offense but I don't partition skills.
Individual or team sport.
Paulie Malinaggi then could be called great if i separate offense from defense.
Greatness can't be someone who has great offense (James Kirkland) but shitty defence.

I am not referring to great defensive or great offensive fighter.
I am referring to All Time Greats v who have both.