Judah - Camacho Jr. ticketed for Atlantic City?

[El Gamo]

Judah via KO,good fight from him to get his confidence back.

yea just to have it blasted away in 4 against Margarito

Hahahaha dam right,CC!

me and George Jetson will have to disagree here. I don't think Margarito would.

Neither do I... I think he may not get past Clottey.

I think Clottey has a slight advantage also, if Margarito beats Clottey I'm coming on board the Antonio Bandwagon. so make some room for me El Gamo just in case

There's always plenty of space on the Margarito badnwagon bro! As for Clottey,he is a MUCH MUCH MUCH tougher fight than Zab and I am quite nervous about that fight. IF Tony wins,it'll be on points,Clottey is tough,uses rough house tactics and is fairl skilled,decent handspeed and power and very good at countering.

How the hell do you know Clottey is a MUCH MUCH MUCH tougher fight then Zab... Look at his record he's never beat anyone, period.. And he's been pro since 1995... He and Margarito deserve each other, and it's still a pick em fight just because he looked good in his LOSS to Baldomir.

Clottey is much much tougher because he does not have a class jaw and he was DQED AGAINST baldo.He was winning by 5 rounds and that was WITH point deductions and we all know what Baldo did toJudah,Clottey is much more skilled than Baldo,faster and hots harder and he SHOOK Baldo..Anything else?

Yeah, and this was Baldomir 7 years ago he wasn't in the same form he was for Zab and was still losing every round until Judah got hurt... but anyways Clottey was DQed against Baldomir because he kept barging in with his head meaning he lost focus and probably doesn't have alot of heart either... THe exact same flaws you see in Judah... And he may have a good chin, he may not he's certainly never fought a puncher like Kosta Tszyu. Judah is also much faster and more skilled than Clottey, far better footwork, Clottey looked average in his last fight.. You can't just rate these prospects higher than world class fighters who you don't particularily like, Baldomir is the only decent guy on Clottey's resume and at that time he was a nobody who he lost to... Margarito, and Clottey, both need to prove something before you can even rate any aspects of them really... How do you know what they can do against a slick boxer, neither of them have ever fought anyone with any real skill... The fact that people actually are seeing this as a hard fight for Tony just proves where he is at.

Yeah but again,what world class has jUdah proven himself at? Spinks? What about the other 4 shots he has had? Secondly,Baldo fights EXACLTY the same way as he did,not a bit difference at all between that fight 7 years ago and the Judah,does Baldo look like someone who is going to alter his style dramatically? Rafael Pineda also knocked Judah so what is your point? That Judah only gets hurt by super hard hitters? I think not. Regardless of how fast or slick Judah is,what differnce does it make,he is not good enough to evade attacks all night and if Baldo can shale himI'm sure Clottey could and make him run like a bitch again. Judah is also much faster and skilled than Baldo,than Tszyu,than Spinks.What's your point? Those aren't the only attributes which go towards making a great fighter.

And that's just your interpretation of Clottey's DQ,I think he knew exactly what he was doing,thought he could get away with it and got dqed. Baldo was getting his ass beaten and no way would he have won that fight.

I have dissected and destroyed your argument in a systematic and effective manner.

[p4pking]

Judah via KO,good fight from him to get his confidence back.

yea just to have it blasted away in 4 against Margarito

Hahahaha dam right,CC!

me and George Jetson will have to disagree here. I don't think Margarito would.

Neither do I... I think he may not get past Clottey.

I think Clottey has a slight advantage also, if Margarito beats Clottey I'm coming on board the Antonio Bandwagon. so make some room for me El Gamo just in case

There's always plenty of space on the Margarito badnwagon bro! As for Clottey,he is a MUCH MUCH MUCH tougher fight than Zab and I am quite nervous about that fight. IF Tony wins,it'll be on points,Clottey is tough,uses rough house tactics and is fairl skilled,decent handspeed and power and very good at countering.

How the hell do you know Clottey is a MUCH MUCH MUCH tougher fight then Zab... Look at his record he's never beat anyone, period.. And he's been pro since 1995... He and Margarito deserve each other, and it's still a pick em fight just because he looked good in his LOSS to Baldomir.

Clottey is much much tougher because he does not have a class jaw and he was DQED AGAINST baldo.He was winning by 5 rounds and that was WITH point deductions and we all know what Baldo did toJudah,Clottey is much more skilled than Baldo,faster and hots harder and he SHOOK Baldo..Anything else?

Yeah, and this was Baldomir 7 years ago he wasn't in the same form he was for Zab and was still losing every round until Judah got hurt... but anyways Clottey was DQed against Baldomir because he kept barging in with his head meaning he lost focus and probably doesn't have alot of heart either... THe exact same flaws you see in Judah... And he may have a good chin, he may not he's certainly never fought a puncher like Kosta Tszyu. Judah is also much faster and more skilled than Clottey, far better footwork, Clottey looked average in his last fight.. You can't just rate these prospects higher than world class fighters who you don't particularily like, Baldomir is the only decent guy on Clottey's resume and at that time he was a nobody who he lost to... Margarito, and Clottey, both need to prove something before you can even rate any aspects of them really... How do you know what they can do against a slick boxer, neither of them have ever fought anyone with any real skill... The fact that people actually are seeing this as a hard fight for Tony just proves where he is at.

Yeah but again,what world class has jUdah proven himself at? Spinks? What about the other 4 shots he has had? Secondly,Baldo fights EXACLTY the same way as he did,not a bit difference at all between that fight 7 years ago and the Judah,does Baldo look like someone who is going to alter his style dramatically? Rafael Pineda also knocked Judah so what is your point? That Judah only gets hurt by super hard hitters? I think not. Regardless of how fast or slick Judah is,what differnce does it make,he is not good enough to evade attacks all night and if Baldo can shale himI'm sure Clottey could and make him run like a bitch again. Judah is also much faster and skilled than Baldo,than Tszyu,than Spinks.What's your point? Those aren't the only attributes which go towards making a great fighter.

And that's just your interpretation of Clottey's DQ,I think he knew exactly what he was doing,thought he could get away with it and got dqed. Baldo was getting his a** beaten and no way would he have won that fight.

I have dissected and destroyed your argument in a systematic and effective manner.

Your just a margarito fan here the game, you aren't some boxing expert and you aren't going to dissect anyone's arguement, it's just opinions here and you base yours upon a fighter who has never stepped up. Also you like to laugh about how Judah proved his class againt Spinks, well yeah... Him, Mickey Ward, Junior Witter, Corley, and Mayweather... TYhat's where Zab proved his class... All of those guys are WAY better than anyone Tony has fought, especially Spinks... He just came back and beat Karmazin after getting KOed by Judah... Id like to see Margarito try and do that.. Or beat Spinks, he would lose to both, so I can't even imagine what kind of point you think your making, or dissecting .. The thing you don't take into consideration, is that Judah could beat Baldomir 9 out of 10 times, he is a superior fighter, what happened was he lost focus, and got caught, exposing his lack of grit.. It can happen, and baldomir isn't a power puncher whatsoever so no that's not what Im saying.. I admit fullheartedly that since Baldomir beat Judah, Margarito could do it... But I would favour Judah to win against either, on a given night.. If he came in the best shape he has then I would easily pick him. You say Judah is "not good enough" to evade attacks all night, well he has done it before, and certainly against fighters on the level of Margarito, he could do it... As for Clottey's DQ, how can u not criticize him for it, he was warned, he kept barging in with his head, he clearly didn't like the way the fight was going... Maybe he was discouraged that Baldomir was still around, whatever the case, he lost. THat's like saying if Judah didn't lose focus and get hurt, there's no way Baldomir would have won the fight... Because there isn't, but guess what, it happened.

[Wacko3205]

Judah by TKO.

This will go down as the one fight in history that I will not EVER pay to watch...that shit better be free is all I'm sayin.

[CutMeMick]

Camacho Jr. to fight, George Klinesmith 22-12-3 damn!! I wanted to see him vs. Zab cuz you know 'both their styles would make for a good fight'


http://boxrec.com/boxer_display.php?boxer_id=19105

[Purist]

Camacho Jr. to fight, George Klinesmith 22-12-3 damn!! I wanted to see him vs. Zab cuz you know 'both their styles would make for a good fight'


http://boxrec.com/boxer_display.php?boxer_id=19105

Leaves room for him to fight Margarito.. oh wait a minute Arum doesn't let Margarito fight good fighters

[CutMeMick]

Camacho Jr. to fight, George Klinesmith 22-12-3 damn!! I wanted to see him vs. Zab cuz you know 'both their styles would make for a good fight'


http://boxrec.com/boxer_display.php?boxer_id=19105

Leaves room for him to fight Margarito.. oh wait a minute Arum doesn't let Margarito fight good fighters

That and Don King has Zab on a World Wide promotional tour.

[Purist]

Camacho Jr. to fight, George Klinesmith 22-12-3 damn!! I wanted to see him vs. Zab cuz you know 'both their styles would make for a good fight'


http://boxrec.com/boxer_display.php?boxer_id=19105

Leaves room for him to fight Margarito.. oh wait a minute Arum doesn't let Margarito fight good fighters

That and Don King has Zab on a World Wide promotional tour.

And Chop Chop is better then anyone on Margarito's resume

[Purist]

and fyi Judah isnt with King anymore

[El Gamo]

Antonio Diaz(beat both Spinks and ward,Zab's 2 biggesat names),Kermit Cintron,Clottey,heck 6 heads would put up a good fight or KTFO Corley. P4P,there are opinions and there are fact,when you read what I write,most of it is factual.

[sanj16]

to be fair, the "names" Zab has fought, have defeated him. I tink Don King did a fantastic job for Zab in that after each cross-road defeat, he got him another big name shot. He has found him the perfect matches to make him look good and draw out all Zab supporters into believing that he is something that he is not. Its all very well looking great against average fighters, but the reason that get the true bowing fan excited, is because of the potential that the fighter has, what could he go on to become. Most of tese fighters never progress.
The annoying thing about Zab is that he still hangs around and even win titles even though he has failed at every defining point. This is further compounded by his attitude both in boxing and out. Its all very well having confidence in your own ability as a fighter, but Zab has no respect for any of his opponents, as seen in his run up to the Baldomir fight. He always has a "reason" for his defeats. No doubt his thought are fueled by King and the numerous lackeys he has, no.1 being his father. He truely believes in his life as a "gangster thug" who "rules the streets". This attitude is carried over into his disgraceful behaviour i the ring. Nobody here will disagree about boxing being about discipline, hardwork, focus and self control. Its not about thugs on the street. It is a way for boys lacking is the above qualities to develop them.
To be the great fighter that Zab is constantly telling everyone he is, he will have to shut up, knuckle down and do the hard yards and not take opponents for granted. For all the talent that PBF, RJJ, Kosta etc had, they would have been nothing without "true commitment". Zab will never have these qualities.
No doubt Zab will win this fight impressively (or he wouldn't be taking it) and then we will all be subject to him telling us how he is the greatest of all time!