GGG- Shades of the unbeatable Chavez Sr.?

[ykdadamaja]

I have thought this for some time now. The methodical approach, the cutting off, even the head movement.

The early Chavez used to be a little bit more of a mover in some sort of way but Golovkin certainly does look a lot like a Chavez type.

Mexican style.

[Master]

I do not think GGG is as good or devastating as JCC was but he does punch harder and is more heavy handed.

JCC was more active and fought better opposition but most of the other fighters have avoided GGG.

[TitoFan]

Yeah, ok.... if I may qualify that, M....

JCC fought better opposition in the 2nd half of his career. He fought absolute nobodies in his first 45 fights. GGG is 33-0... so by comparison he'd still have another 12 nobodies to fight before he matches JCC in that regard. Yes... JCC was busier. Nobody fights 115 pro fights anymore. (Actually.... they start off with amateur fights).

[Master]

Yeah, ok.... if I may qualify that, M....

JCC fought better opposition in the 2nd half of his career. He fought absolute nobodies in his first 45 fights. GGG is 33-0... so by comparison he'd still have another 12 nobodies to fight before he matches JCC in that regard. Yes... JCC was busier. Nobody fights 115 pro fights anymore. (Actually.... they start off with amateur fights).

Hey, practice what you preach in your last post, do not denigrate one great fighter to make a case for another good fighter.

[TitoFan]

Yeah, ok.... if I may qualify that, M....

JCC fought better opposition in the 2nd half of his career. He fought absolute nobodies in his first 45 fights. GGG is 33-0... so by comparison he'd still have another 12 nobodies to fight before he matches JCC in that regard. Yes... JCC was busier. Nobody fights 115 pro fights anymore. (Actually.... they start off with amateur fights).

Hey, practice what you preach in your last post, do not denigrate one great fighter to make a case for another good fighter.

Pointing out factual numbers is not denigrating. It is merely making a clarification that would've otherwise gone unnoticed. Take away his first 45 fights.... and a 62-win career is still pretty good.

[Ron Swanson]

Yeah, ok.... if I may qualify that, M....

JCC fought better opposition in the 2nd half of his career. He fought absolute nobodies in his first 45 fights. GGG is 33-0... so by comparison he'd still have another 12 nobodies to fight before he matches JCC in that regard. Yes... JCC was busier. Nobody fights 115 pro fights anymore. (Actually.... they start off with amateur fights).

That's fair. But you could also look at it as by the same age he had fought.

Adriano Arreola
Mario Martinez
Ruben Castillo
Roger Mayweather
Rocky Lockridge
Fransisco Tomas De Cruz
Danilo Cabrera
Edwin Rosario
Nicky Perez
Rodolfo Aguilar
Rafael Limon
Jose Luis Ramirez
Roger Mayweather
Sammy Fuentes
Alberto Cortez
Meldrick Taylor
Kyung-Duk Ahn
John Duplessis
Lonnie Smith
Angel Hernandez
Frankie Mitchel
Hector Comacho
Greg Haugen
Terrence Alli
Pernell Whitacker
Andy Holligan
Frankie Randall
Frankie Randall
Meldrick Taylor
Tony Lopez
Giovani Parisi
David Kamau

To keep the list short I left off a fighter that was 37-0 so...

[TitoFan]

Yeah, ok.... if I may qualify that, M....

JCC fought better opposition in the 2nd half of his career. He fought absolute nobodies in his first 45 fights. GGG is 33-0... so by comparison he'd still have another 12 nobodies to fight before he matches JCC in that regard. Yes... JCC was busier. Nobody fights 115 pro fights anymore. (Actually.... they start off with amateur fights).

That's fair. But you could also look at it as by the same age he had fought.

Adriano Arreola
Mario Martinez
Ruben Castillo
Roger Mayweather
Rocky Lockridge
Fransisco Tomas De Cruz
Danilo Cabrera
Edwin Rosario
Nicky Perez
Rodolfo Aguilar
Rafael Limon
Jose Luis Ramirez
Roger Mayweather
Sammy Fuentes
Alberto Cortez
Meldrick Taylor
Kyung-Duk Ahn
John Duplessis
Lonnie Smith
Angel Hernandez
Frankie Mitchel
Hector Comacho
Greg Haugen
Terrence Alli
Pernell Whitacker
Andy Holligan
Frankie Randall
Frankie Randall
Meldrick Taylor
Tony Lopez
Giovani Parisi
David Kamau

To keep the list short I left off a fighter that was 37-0 so...

Age is not a bad measuring stick. However, I harp on records because we have these cases of fighters that skipped having an amateur career, choosing instead to fatten a professional record in their own hometown with woefully questionable opposition. Numbers are numbers and many people only base their opinions and assumptions based on those. Someone not familiar with boxing might look at JCC's 107 wins and say "Damn..... he must've been twice as good as any ATG with "only" 50 wins." When in actuality some of these fighters that "only" win 40 or 50 fights have fought terrific opposition since about their 10th fight. Just keeping a level playing field.