GGG- Shades of the unbeatable Chavez Sr.?

[greynotsoold]

Chavez fought many of those fights in Mexico. When you see him, in, say, his 30th fight in with a guy and it says he is 3-3... I wouldn't put much stock in that. Boxrec misses a lot of fights.
The guy that trained Chavez (which was not the guy you saw in the ring) ran real focused, specific sparring sessions. It wouldn't surprise me if he was picking opponents the same way.

That is how you build a guy to the point where you can put him in with anybody. And that is incredibly rare.

[TitoFan]

Exactly. He fought a lot of those fights in Mexico. In fact, he only ventured out of Mexico on his 38th fight when he came to San Juan. Whereas other champions past and present are already traveling outside their friendly neighborhood confines by their 10th pro fight. And to your point about BoxRec missing a lot of the opponents' fights. Still... it's hard to camouflage when in your 18th professional fight you're repeating an opponent you've already beaten... and this guy is 0-7 with four knockout losses on his record. Or when for your 50th professional fight you fight a guy who's 1-15 and eventually ends up with a 2-20 record with 15 KO losses. I'm not questioning his preparation, or the fact that he ended up being one of the greats. I'm just saying his record is disproportionately ballooned, as seems to be the case with JCC Jr. Must be a way of doing things. Meanwhile, you have a Lomachenko facing great competition right off the bat. Yes he had a long amateur career... but if in the end you're looking at W's and L's, it tends to distort reality.

[Spicoli]

Prior to Golovkin v Monroe jr I mentioned a Chavez torching John Duplessis scenario..but Monroe actually stood his ground for a bit . I see Chavez-like but Golovkin not near to the complete inside churner and composed constant. Chavez positioned you with his feet as much as his shoulders..then the hooks came on. To be honest rewatching the Monroe fight.. as devastating as he was Golovkin looked bored at times. Gave up his head without getting a lot back for it at times.

[beenKOed]

Prior to Golovkin v Monroe jr I mentioned a Chavez torching John Duplessis scenario..but Monroe actually stood his ground for a bit . I see Chavez-like but Golovkin not near to the complete inside churner and composed constant. Chavez positioned you with his feet as much as his shoulders..then the hooks came on. To be honest rewatching the Monroe fight.. as devastating as he was Golovkin looked bored at times. Gave up his head without getting a lot back for it at times.

I did notice that GGG fought this fight differently. Don't know how to describe it, like he was trying to encourage Monroe to throw more punches. Like you say looking bored, taking some unnecessary shots, waving Monroe in, doing everything he could to draw Monroe into the fight. Strange.

[walrus]

Prior to Golovkin v Monroe jr I mentioned a Chavez torching John Duplessis scenario..but Monroe actually stood his ground for a bit . I see Chavez-like but Golovkin not near to the complete inside churner and composed constant. Chavez positioned you with his feet as much as his shoulders..then the hooks came on. To be honest rewatching the Monroe fight.. as devastating as he was Golovkin looked bored at times. Gave up his head without getting a lot back for it at times.

I did notice that GGG fought this fight differently. Don't know how to describe it, like he was trying to encourage Monroe to throw more punches. Like you say looking bored, taking some unnecessary shots, waving Monroe in, doing everything he could to draw Monroe into the fight. Strange.

He said in the post fight interview he was letting Monroe in both to test himself and put on "big drama show" a few guys here have a bit of rancor over ggg and keep saying the same neg stuff about him in different threads. That's fine, that's the sport, that's sportsfans but as a fight fan there is a lot to like about ggg. I never had the pleasure of watching Chavez Sr live but only his old fights on YouTube. I don't know, I just like the guy both in personality and ringsmanship.we seem to have a lot of very talented boxers who are a pleasure to watch in the ring and seem very genuine ggg, Kovalev, Crawford, wilder, and of course the always pleasant Broner.

[Ron Swanson]

Exactly. He fought a lot of those fights in Mexico. In fact, he only ventured out of Mexico on his 38th fight when he came to San Juan. Whereas other champions past and present are already traveling outside their friendly neighborhood confines by their 10th pro fight. And to your point about BoxRec missing a lot of the opponents' fights. Still... it's hard to camouflage when in your 18th professional fight you're repeating an opponent you've already beaten... and this guy is 0-7 with four knockout losses on his record. Or when for your 50th professional fight you fight a guy who's 1-15 and eventually ends up with a 2-20 record with 15 KO losses. I'm not questioning his preparation, or the fact that he ended up being one of the greats. I'm just saying his record is disproportionately ballooned, as seems to be the case with JCC Jr. Must be a way of doing things. Meanwhile, you have a Lomachenko facing great competition right off the bat. Yes he had a long amateur career... but if in the end you're looking at W's and L's, it tends to distort reality.

You have to look past the softies and look at the hard fights. I say this because I once looked through SRRs record carefully and was shocked how many times even well into his career he fought guys with 0 wins, or 1 win or less than 10 wins or more than 10 losses or below 500 records etcetera. The numbers of, frankly, weak fighters really adds up. But the numbers of great fighters adds up too. Chavez ledger is the same, there are many many softies but also many many great fighters.

And in the end all I care about is the good fighters fighting the good fighters.

[No Contest]

So if Chavez was 87-0....before drawing with Sweet Pea who else could boast that kind of run? There was some controversy I guess in his home state in Mexico, just like JCC Jr, but 87-0, is a hell of a lot more than Marciano's record. Marciano didn't fight all top notch fighters himself. So why doesn't JCC hold the record? Is it just due to the fact he fought on?

[Jimanuel Boogustus]

Yeah that would be the record for retiring undefeated. No draws, no losses, no no-contests.

Larry Holmes came close. Floyd is one fight away from drawing with Larry.

[ykdadamaja]

Chavez Sr. is perhaps the greatest Mexican fighter to have ever laced up gloves.

[Master]

GGG is a lot like Nigel Benn or Hagler.