A Very Bad Decision: How do YOU score this?

[walrus]

I gave all twelve to my pal Ali just so I can get a meme and a quote from @Bill Paxtom

[Dia bando]

I had it as Norton winning the fight, Norton was all wrong for Ali he struggled with that
cross armed style, yes he was gifted the decision Norton was badly done too.

[brocktonblockbust]

Yes agreed. But now watch ~somebody~ come into this thread talking about Rocky Marciano again

Norton was robbed beyond belief, that decision was a fucking joke. Ali was ashamed and ran out of the ring. I can still hear over 100 body shots and head shots "POPPING" off of Ali's skull and kidneys----

OUCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Norton beat his ass down all night long. Ali's bullshit circling and flicking bullshit jabs was shit-on-a-shingle. Norton walloped that skull and it sounded like a fucking melon getting split open.

Ali lost ALL 3 fights to Norton.

[Bill Paxtom]

I gave all twelve to my pal Ali just so I can get a meme and a quote from @Bill Paxtom

What do you mean 'all twelve'.

It was a 15-Round bout in September 1976.

It is hard to come back at you 'Walrus Man'.
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~ Walrus Herd Gathering ~

"Do believe 'Walrus' gave Ali 12-Rounds in that fight. What the 'Fuck' was he watching."

"OK, when he turns his back, let's head south towards Antarctica. And everybody keep quiet, so he doesn't see us leave."

"I don't want that 'Ali Brown Noser' following us."

[Beanflicker]

It's amazing Ali's organs still function. The pounding that Norton, Frazier, Foreman, Chuvalo, ect did on his liver and kidneys was just brutal to think about.

Something that goes unnoticed about Norton is that he had a GREAT HW jab. He used it so well against Ali and Holmes, two of the best jabbers in HW history.

[Jimanuel Boogustus]

Something that goes unnoticed about Norton is that he had a GREAT HW jab. He used it so well against Ali and Holmes, two of the best jabbers in HW history.

Something else that often goes unnoticed is that Ken Norton had terrible defence against the left hook.

Ali never had much of a hook so stylistically he matched well.. and Holmes, on their night, never had much of a left bicep so IMO Norton was fortunate not to get badly hurt.

My point is that I think it is a little easy to overrate Norton based on his success against one fighter.

[Mr140]

If were talking about there last fight does it even fucking matter if were being honest i mean Ali was 35 years old by then i mean he should not of been fighting. Ali got some gifts i am pretty sure all top atg have a few been seeing his name brought up alot lately though for some reason.

[Bill Paxtom]

September 1976

~ What the 'Insiders' said ~

In 'pre-fight' negotiations, Ken Norton refused to sign a 'return match clause'.

Meaning >
If Ken Norton won, he had to give Muhammad Ali a 'rematch' within 6-Months, or
at least sign an 'iron-clad' contract giving Muhammad Ali the right of first refusal.

In the contract, Kenny was 'not' permitted to have another fight {Title Defense}, unless
Muhammad Ali signed a release.

So basically, if Kenny won, he had to give Muhummad Ali the rights of an immediate rematch,
{Kenny's 1st-Title Defense}.

End Result >
Kenny 'refuses' to sign that Contract. As he did not want his career to be dictated by
Muhammad Ali.

Kenny Norton >
"When I beat Muhammad in September, I want to be in charge of my career. I want to
be able to 'test the waters' to see what is out there money wise for my Title Defenses."

"Now I'm told, {if} I win, that I can't do that. I have to give him {Muhammad Ali} a
rematch, and on his terms, and with an equal fight purse."

"That will never happen. When I win, I as 'World Champion' will dictate the terms. It's
simple geometry."

[Beanflicker]

Something else that often goes unnoticed is that Ken Norton had terrible defence against the left hook.

Ali never had much of a hook so stylistically he matched well.. and Holmes, on their night, never had much of a left bicep so IMO Norton was fortunate not to get badly hurt.

My point is that I think it is a little easy to overrate Norton based on his success against one fighter.

I agree that Norton is probably overrated and yeah, his defence wasn't really suited for blocking the left hook.

But he really did have a great jab. I think it was deceivingly long, he fought in that crab defence with his arm tucked but when he extended he used all of that 80" reach. Caught guys off guard I think. His timing was great too, so yeah he was always going to be poison for guys like Ali and Holmes but more mediocre against certain styles.

[Jimanuel Boogustus]

Something else that often goes unnoticed is that Ken Norton had terrible defence against the left hook.

Ali never had much of a hook so stylistically he matched well.. and Holmes, on their night, never had much of a left bicep so IMO Norton was fortunate not to get badly hurt.

My point is that I think it is a little easy to overrate Norton based on his success against one fighter.

I agree that Norton is probably overrated and yeah, his defence wasn't really suited for blocking the left hook.

But he really did have a great jab. I think it was deceivingly long, he fought in that crab defence with his arm tucked but when he extended he used all of that 80" reach. Caught guys off guard I think. His timing was great too, so yeah he was always going to be poison for guys like Ali and Holmes but more mediocre against certain styles.

Yeah he did have good timing. Maybe a very good sense of range too? Should have used the jab more often.

[Beanflicker]

Yeah he did have good timing. Maybe a very good sense of range too? Should have used the jab more often.

Yeah I thought he neglected it in the 3rd Ali fight, I remember him doing a lot more with it in the first one.

He would absolutely KILL guys who didn't have good head movement with his jab. In the Jerry Quarry fight (which was one of the most brutal beat downs in HW history) his jab was fantastic.