world war two

[walrus]

I went to Berlin this past October and doing the tours around the war areas was really quite sad. Berlin really got torn the fuck up, you forget it wasn't just a country full of evil Nazis, most of the victims like usual were just normal everyday people. As we were in certain areas the guide would talk about what the area used to be like before the war.

Well observed. I always try to look at the other side in politics as you know that you are only going to get one side. Churchill was a war criminal psychopath and people should know that. It doesn't matter how it is spun, but he ordered the destruction of hundreds of thousands of innocent people and starved to death 4 million Indians amongst many other things. You add up the numbers and he was an english speaking Hitler minus the moustache. 'Blasphemy' they cry as they build the new reich themselves.

miles are you drinking again

[Gandalf]

I went to Berlin this past October and doing the tours around the war areas was really quite sad. Berlin really got torn the fuck up, you forget it wasn't just a country full of evil Nazis, most of the victims like usual were just normal everyday people. As we were in certain areas the guide would talk about what the area used to be like before the war.

Well observed. I always try to look at the other side in politics as you know that you are only going to get one side. Churchill was a war criminal psychopath and people should know that. It doesn't matter how it is spun, but he ordered the destruction of hundreds of thousands of innocent people and starved to death 4 million Indians amongst many other things. You add up the numbers and he was an english speaking Hitler minus the moustache. 'Blasphemy' they cry as they build the new reich themselves.

miles are you drinking again

Nope, I just will not be conditioned. Churchill was involved in far more than mass starvation and routine slaughter. A sinister man indeed.

[Beanz]

I went to Berlin this past October and doing the tours around the war areas was really quite sad. Berlin really got torn the fuck up, you forget it wasn't just a country full of evil Nazis, most of the victims like usual were just normal everyday people. As we were in certain areas the guide would talk about what the area used to be like before the war.

Well observed. I always try to look at the other side in politics as you know that you are only going to get one side. Churchill was a war criminal psychopath and people should know that. It doesn't matter how it is spun, but he ordered the destruction of hundreds of thousands of innocent people and starved to death 4 million Indians amongst many other things. You add up the numbers and he was an english speaking Hitler minus the moustache. 'Blasphemy' they cry as they build the new reich themselves.

miles are you drinking again

Nope, I just will not be conditioned. Churchill was involved in far more than mass starvation and routine slaughter. A sinister man indeed.

The thing is you come across as hugely conditioned. You have a complex in which everyone but you is stupid , naive and easily manipulated but the truth is that the so called truth that you are just stumbling upon has been paraded by conspiracy theorists for years. Overwhelming evidence does not make something unlikely to have happened and yet you have to swallow such an idea to even begin believing much of what you pro port to be true.

[Gandalf]

I went to Berlin this past October and doing the tours around the war areas was really quite sad. Berlin really got torn the fuck up, you forget it wasn't just a country full of evil Nazis, most of the victims like usual were just normal everyday people. As we were in certain areas the guide would talk about what the area used to be like before the war.

Well observed. I always try to look at the other side in politics as you know that you are only going to get one side. Churchill was a war criminal psychopath and people should know that. It doesn't matter how it is spun, but he ordered the destruction of hundreds of thousands of innocent people and starved to death 4 million Indians amongst many other things. You add up the numbers and he was an english speaking Hitler minus the moustache. 'Blasphemy' they cry as they build the new reich themselves.

miles are you drinking again

Nope, I just will not be conditioned. Churchill was involved in far more than mass starvation and routine slaughter. A sinister man indeed.

The thing is you come across as hugely conditioned. You have a complex in which everyone but you is stupid , naive and easily manipulated but the truth is that the so called truth that you are just stumbling upon has been paraded by conspiracy theorists for years. Overwhelming evidence does not make something unlikely to have happened and yet you have to swallow such an idea to even begin believing much of what you pro port to be true.

You think Churchill was a hero. I equate him with any other genocidal maniac. On the whole it is me that is introducing a little perspective. Ive been ranting on the same station for years. Admittedly, I am not writing any of this history myself. I see both sides, dude.

[Gandalf]

As far as historians go David Irving is controversial and like any historian he has his agenda. However, it is easy to trot out 'holocaust denier' whenever anyone questions the narrative of the holocaust. The numbers vary widely for even Iraq war fatalities, yet the Nazi genocide is somehow untouchable. Labels to degrade and avoid debate.

[walrus]

As far as historians go David Irving is controversial and like any historian he has his agenda. However, it is easy to trot out 'holocaust denier' whenever anyone questions the narrative of the holocaust. The numbers vary widely for even Iraq war fatalities, yet the Nazi genocide is somehow untouchable. Labels to degrade and avoid debate.

The Nazis kept impeccable records to there own detriment. I don't see what the issue is. Not saying they were worse than any other genocidal regime but the way they went about things was so methodical and industrial it is quite chilling.

[Beanz]

As far as historians go David Irving is controversial and like any historian he has his agenda. However, it is easy to trot out 'holocaust denier' whenever anyone questions the narrative of the holocaust. The numbers vary widely for even Iraq war fatalities, yet the Nazi genocide is somehow untouchable. Labels to degrade and avoid debate.

Do you not think Holocaust denial itself is a degrading escapade? Nobody is avoiding debate, but to debate something you must start from a common ground of sensible ideas and yet you are suggesting that we all ignore history and start from your side of the fence with all the ignorami like Icke, Irving et al. Stawman argument Miles. There is a hole in your bucket 10 feet wide.

[walrus]

Churchill was certainly a hero. Would we rather have had Hitler being the hero. Anyone who participated in the destruction of the Nazi regime performed a heroic act. Yes, at one point Churchill referred to Adolf as a great leader but Hitler was portraying himself as something different to his people and the world at the time. Hitler was evil. But that mustache was cool, and he was a great public speaker. And Ava Braun was hot, has @Bill Paxtom quoted Braun yet

[Beanz]

I went to Berlin this past October and doing the tours around the war areas was really quite sad. Berlin really got torn the fuck up, you forget it wasn't just a country full of evil Nazis, most of the victims like usual were just normal everyday people. As we were in certain areas the guide would talk about what the area used to be like before the war.

Well observed. I always try to look at the other side in politics as you know that you are only going to get one side. Churchill was a war criminal psychopath and people should know that. It doesn't matter how it is spun, but he ordered the destruction of hundreds of thousands of innocent people and starved to death 4 million Indians amongst many other things. You add up the numbers and he was an english speaking Hitler minus the moustache. 'Blasphemy' they cry as they build the new reich themselves.

miles are you drinking again

Nope, I just will not be conditioned. Churchill was involved in far more than mass starvation and routine slaughter. A sinister man indeed.

The thing is you come across as hugely conditioned. You have a complex in which everyone but you is stupid , naive and easily manipulated but the truth is that the so called truth that you are just stumbling upon has been paraded by conspiracy theorists for years. Overwhelming evidence does not make something unlikely to have happened and yet you have to swallow such an idea to even begin believing much of what you pro port to be true.

You think Churchill was a hero. I equate him with any other genocidal maniac. On the whole it is me that is introducing a little perspective. Ive been ranting on the same station for years. Admittedly, I am not writing any of this history myself. I see both sides, dude.

I never called Churchill a hero. Your argument is so weak that you have to invent an opposite position to give your own rubbish any credence. You yourself claimed that "everything was too easy, you just have to connect the dots", that does not lend veracity to your claims it undermines them. I have never claimed people are too ignorant and stupid to see the truth but you have to in order to once again make your ludicrous assertions hold any water. You have to remove history, credibility and all received wisdom to even begin to explain what you are suggesting is true.