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    Default Re: "Ali hate"..... what's the point??

    Quote Originally Posted by Master View Post
    Remember rich young white men dodged the war by pulling political strings so jump on their case and call them cowards and frauds.
    True... some men ran to Canada, some men claimed they were homosexuals, some pulled political strings.

    Still, nobody is saying that those men a heroes who stood up to this unethical, illogical war.

    When people think of Ali they think of a guy who selflessly gave away his prime years to protest an unpopular war, a crusader if you will. When in reality, if he wasn't drafted he wouldn't have made a peep about the war.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beanflicker View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Master View Post
    Remember rich young white men dodged the war by pulling political strings so jump on their case and call them cowards and frauds.
    True... some men ran to Canada, some men claimed they were homosexuals, some pulled political strings.

    Still, nobody is saying that those men a heroes who stood up to this unethical, illogical war.

    When people think of Ali they think of a guy who selflessly gave away his prime years to protest an unpopular war, a crusader if you will. When in reality, if he wasn't drafted he wouldn't have made a peep about the war.
    Correct Bean-Man,

    Cassius Clay 'fed off' the College Students and 'Anti-War Protesters' like 'a leech'.

    The 'left-wing' Liberal Media ate it up, like eating an Ice Cream Cone.
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    Default Re: "Ali hate"..... what's the point??

    Ali was stripped of his title and lost millions. Ali could have done a Joe Louis but he did not and for all that he should be applauded.

    Ali lost the best years of his career and the momentum he built.
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    Default Re: "Ali hate"..... what's the point??

    Quote Originally Posted by Master View Post
    Ali could have done a Joe Louis
    We don't know that that was an option, and it doesn't seem plausible that it was an option, given Ali's "I don't have no quarrel with no Viet Cong" speeches where he slammed the government for trying to force him go over and kill another brown-skinned person.

    It seems doubtful that simply shaking hands with troops and putting on boxing exhibitions would have been against his "religious freedoms". They were probably going to make him fight, he knew they were probably going to make him fight, and he was determined not to go.

    If he was a true hero he would have spoken about it before he was drafted. He would have refused to even take the draft screen process. Instead, he only spoke out about the war when he had to. It was never a "this war is wrong" stance, it was a "you can't send ME over there because it's a violation of MY religious freedom" stance, which is a selfish and garbage stance. People talk about what he lost, but at the end of the day a few years and maybe a few million were nothing compared to the chance of dying and losing everything over in Vietnam.
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