Greats who fought in weak eras vs Good fighters who fought in great eras.

[Master]

Hopkins not an ATG? Wow! What's the basis?

He got beat by an real ATG

If u think about it, so did Leonard, Robinson, Ali, Armstrong...etc. Some of them were beaten by non ATGs. Can't see leaving Hop out of the top 20 at this point, but I'm biased.

You are bias.

Who did Robinson lose at his peak? Leonard avenged his defeat.

[mikeeod]

Robinson lost to Lamotta, which is nothing to be ashamed of, especially considering it was up a full weight class. Just wanted to illustrate that many all time greats lose at one time or another. Duran lost to Dejesus, who isn't even a hall of fame fighter.

Hop was green when Roy beat him (which wasn't even that bad of a beating) and didn't hit his peak until 5-6 years later. Hop never came close to losing during his prime and put on an ATG performance vs Tito who was undefeated, in his prime and ranked #2 p4p. When discussing historical accomplishments and quality of opposition I just can't see calling Roy an ATG and not Hop. Guess we will agree to disagree on that one.

Also, even though I am biased, that doesn't mean I'm wrong....

[Master]

Robinson lost to Lamotta, which is nothing to be ashamed of, especially considering it was up a full weight class. Just wanted to illustrate that many all time greats lose at one time or another. Duran lost to Dejesus, who isn't even a hall of fame fighter.

Hop was green when Roy beat him (which wasn't even that bad of a beating) and didn't hit his peak until 5-6 years later. Hop never came close to losing during his prime and put on an ATG performance vs Tito who was undefeated, in his prime and ranked #2 p4p. When discussing historical accomplishments and quality of opposition I just can't see calling Roy an ATG and not Hop. Guess we will agree to disagree on that one.

Also, even though I am biased, that doesn't mean I'm wrong....

What I would say it Roy Jones would have beaten any version of B Hop including the one that beat Tito.

[mikeeod]

Robinson lost to Lamotta, which is nothing to be ashamed of, especially considering it was up a full weight class. Just wanted to illustrate that many all time greats lose at one time or another. Duran lost to Dejesus, who isn't even a hall of fame fighter.

Hop was green when Roy beat him (which wasn't even that bad of a beating) and didn't hit his peak until 5-6 years later. Hop never came close to losing during his prime and put on an ATG performance vs Tito who was undefeated, in his prime and ranked #2 p4p. When discussing historical accomplishments and quality of opposition I just can't see calling Roy an ATG and not Hop. Guess we will agree to disagree on that one.

Also, even though I am biased, that doesn't mean I'm wrong....

What I would say it Roy Jones would have beaten any version of B Hop including the one that beat Tito.

Maybe, maybe not. I think that is debatable as Hop seemed to evolve his style specifically to fight Roy again. Roy was a freak of nature, do not saying Hop is a lock or that it would ever be a dominant win. Just saying that a Roy win prime vs prime isn't a forgone conclusion either. When you look at historical impact, accomplishments and quality of opposition, Hop has Roy beat by far.

[Mr140]

Wlad era is below like the 70's and the 90's that it really when you look at it really. The 20's 30's 40's 50's 60's 80's are all in same boat as now really. Also no matter how weak hw era is Holding the crown is hard because ever mother fucker so big they can knock you out with a punch.

[SlimTrae]

Wlad era is below like the 70's and the 90's that it really when you look at it really. The 20's 30's 40's 50's 60's 80's are all in same boat as now really. Also no matter how weak hw era is Holding the crown is hard because ever mother fucker so big they can knock you out with a punch.

imo there never really was a great era of HW's. Just a great fighter who stood out of the pack.

70's era is rated because Ali fought then. He can't be great if the guys he fought were not exalted.

90's HW imo were the most talented and athletic, but the best didn't fight each other until they were allpast their prime aka Tyson vs Holy.
Holy vs Lewis.
and Lewis vs Tyson.

[SlimTrae]

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Where does Crawford fit In as far as today's era? If he continues to dominate in this weight class, but got sparked if he moves up? Do you rate him based on his best weight class, or lessen his status..if he can't dominate at a heavier weight class?

Kovalev years pro::7
Wins WBO title over 26-0 Nathan Cleverly
Sparks top 5 LHW contender Ismayl Silakh
Lopsided victory over former P4P great Bernard Hopkins, stops former WBC champion Jean Pascal.
Rated P4P #2
Record: 29-0-1 (26 KOs)

Title: WBO, IBF, WBA light heavyweight
Possible challenge left is Adonis Stevenson.

How does Kovalev era rate against other LHW eras? What era is considered the best for LHW?