Cotto vs Canelo

[Primo Carnera]

Alvarez comfortably. Both are long way behind Pac and Floyd but Alvarez has age and size advantage. Been curious as to what weight this will be at? At middleweight any weight above 154 is going to be a huge advantage to Alvarez. Could this be the 1st MW title fight competed at LMW limits?

The only thing I disagree with is I reckon Alvarez would beat Pac.

[Beanflicker]

Hmmm a lot of interesting points being made here!

[erics44]

wunt be surprised if canelo knocks him out early

[ElTerribleMorales]

Cotto uses his jab and movement to confuse the one dimensional slow Canelo, outboxing him while avoiding his shots, and landing his own body shots on the ginger, people bitching about Cotto's opponents while trying to boost up Canelo who beat up a never was in Angulo (who had already just been beat and quit against Lara), was given a gift against Lara himself, and then beat up another never was who hadn't fought in nearly two years in Kirkland

and yea Canelo was given a decision against Trout (I felt that Trout won a close fight), but their other common opponent is who?! oh right Floyd Mayweather, where Canelo was schooled the entire fight while Cotto gave him one of his toughest fights in the last 5 years

[Kirkland Laing]

A few fights ago everybody would have picked Alvarez but Cotto looks a different fighter since he hooked up with Roach. However he hasn't fought anybody dangerous since he lost to Trout, he'll have had tougher sparring sessions than the Martinez fight.

I'm interested to see how Cotto stands up to somebody more powerful than him who also has a hell of a left hook thumping him in the liver. I think they both have their moments and win rounds but Alvarez takes over after four to six rounds, Cotto goes on the back foot for the rest of the fight and Alvarez wins on points or maybe even a late stoppage.

[p4pking]

Cotto uses his jab and movement to confuse the one dimensional slow Canelo, outboxing him while avoiding his shots, and landing his own body shots on the ginger, people bitching about Cotto's opponents while trying to boost up Canelo who beat up a never was in Angulo (who had already just been beat and quit against Lara), was given a gift against Lara himself, and then beat up another never was who hadn't fought in nearly two years in Kirkland

and yea Canelo was given a decision against Trout (I felt that Trout won a close fight), but their other common opponent is who?! oh right Floyd Mayweather, where Canelo was schooled the entire fight while Cotto gave him one of his toughest fights in the last 5 years

You're just throwing out terms like gifted, or given a decision, when they don't apply whatsoever. I thought Canelo beat Trout and Lara, it's certainly easy to score those fights for him if you don't try not to. Both of those guys(Trout and Lara) are clearly better than anyone Cotto has beaten above welterweight, I think that's why a lot of people pick Alvarez. I'm not affected personally by either fighter, just the way I see it.

[Master]

Cotto uses his jab and movement to confuse the one dimensional slow Canelo, outboxing him while avoiding his shots, and landing his own body shots on the ginger, people bitching about Cotto's opponents while trying to boost up Canelo who beat up a never was in Angulo (who had already just been beat and quit against Lara), was given a gift against Lara himself, and then beat up another never was who hadn't fought in nearly two years in Kirkland

and yea Canelo was given a decision against Trout (I felt that Trout won a close fight), but their other common opponent is who?! oh right Floyd Mayweather, where Canelo was schooled the entire fight while Cotto gave him one of his toughest fights in the last 5 years

I am a Cotto fan and would support him against Canelo but Floyd fought aggressively against Miguel because he thought he would be able to stop him because Cotto has been in so many wars.

Floyd never took that risk against Canelo because he would have got seriously hurt. So the fights was closer against Cotto but only for that reason.

[Master]

You could see it as Cotto maximising his return by retaining the middleweight belt and negotiating a better deal against Canelo. Remember Cotto looked finished losing in a row to Floyd and Trout. Cotto has changed trainer to Roach and taken quite significant time out which has helped Cotto ‘heal up’ his old body. Cotto has won 3 times and all relatively easy victories.

The first strong fighter Cotto faces he will more than likely lose. That is probably Canelo, although that is not a certainty. Cotto would then most likely retire even richer and famous.

[TitoFan]

Being as objective as possible... I see this as a tough, but not impossible fight for Cotto. Canelo has a decided edge in age, natural size, and at this point probably chin, since Cotto has been in some wars and has come out damaged by them. On the other hand, Cotto has an extremely decided edge in boxing skills. Exhibit A: Cotto gave Floyd an extremely competitive fight, whereas Canelo was shut out and embarrassed by Floyd. Both have power... Cotto may have the edge in hand speed.

Of all the factors above, chin will be key. I see Cotto landing some flush, good shots on Canelo. It remains to be seen what effect they'll have. Cotto will need to exhibit good defense to avoid Canelo's big shots. It'll be an entertaining fight to be sure. One thing for sure..... this one won't fall below the hype like the Floyd-Pacquiao fight did.

[ElTerribleMorales]

Cotto uses his jab and movement to confuse the one dimensional slow Canelo, outboxing him while avoiding his shots, and landing his own body shots on the ginger, people bitching about Cotto's opponents while trying to boost up Canelo who beat up a never was in Angulo (who had already just been beat and quit against Lara), was given a gift against Lara himself, and then beat up another never was who hadn't fought in nearly two years in Kirkland

and yea Canelo was given a decision against Trout (I felt that Trout won a close fight), but their other common opponent is who?! oh right Floyd Mayweather, where Canelo was schooled the entire fight while Cotto gave him one of his toughest fights in the last 5 years

I am a Cotto fan and would support him against Canelo but Floyd fought aggressively against Miguel because he thought he would be able to stop him because Cotto has been in so many wars.

Floyd never took that risk against Canelo because he would have got seriously hurt. So the fights was closer against Cotto but only for that reason.

Floyd didn't have to take any risks, because he was given a paid sparring session instead of a fight, Canelo didn't throw anything, he had every advantage in his favor and still didn't use them, he had youth and size and he simply didn't throw or try to make it a fight, Cotto was able to lead Mayweather to to ropes just as Maidana did in the first fight, Canelo couldn't effectively cut off the ring to save his life

as for the Trout and Lara fights, the Trout fight was closer but I felt he did enough early on to get the W, and IMO Lara controlled the fight into about the 8th so don't see how so many had Canelo winning

[p4pking]

Canelo was throwing as much as he always does against Floyd, he was just used to landing at least some of the time. As much as that was a schooling, I don't think the guy embarrassed himself the way people make out, he did prove to have some skills early on and was doing things that would probably have worked against anyone else. Cotto has the much better feet of course and was able to get to Floyd, but he would need to fight quite differently against Alvarez, where as Canelos tactics in the Floyd fight might actually work out against Miguel. Don't see how comparing their success against Floyd will actually hold much weight in how their fight will go, is basically what I'm saying. It's a good pick em fight.

[TitoFan]

I am a Cotto fan and would support him against Canelo but Floyd fought aggressively against Miguel because he thought he would be able to stop him because Cotto has been in so many wars.

Floyd never took that risk against Canelo because he would have got seriously hurt. So the fights was closer against Cotto but only for that reason.

Hadn't seen this particular post of yours, @Master . I disagree with why you feel Floyd fought aggressively against Cotto. IMO, it had everything to do with Cotto. Cotto pushed the issue. He brought the fight to Floyd, and did so effectively. That's the difference between Cotto's aggressiveness and Pacquiao's aggressiveness against Floyd. Whereas Cotto's was effective, Pac's was not. Cotto forced Floyd's hand by using effective aggression.

I also disagree with why you feel Floyd fought that way against Canelo. Canelo posed no boxing challenge to Floyd. So Floyd was free to utilize the tactic he normally uses..... boxing circles around the opponent and pot-shotting him to death. Most of Floyd's opponents have had the capability of hurting Floyd if they catch him flush. So why would Floyd chance it.... not just against Canelo, but against anybody?

To me..... there's no amount of window dressing that will change the comparison between both of those Floyd fights. Cotto gave Floyd a competitive and exciting fight. Floyd said so himself after the fight. Canelo almost bored Floyd to tears. It was humiliating, and as one-sided as a fight can be. Another one of those, where the hype far exceeds the fight itself.

Regardless of the outcome of a future Cotto-Canelo fight, the fact will always remain that against that one particular elite opponent, Cotto put on a much better show and a much more competitive fight than Canelo...... by many light-years.