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    Default Re: James Braddock vs. Joe Louis ~ June 22, 1937 ~ 'The Skinny'

    Predictions {Chicago tribune Sports Writers}

    Harold Conrad >
    "This Louis fellow. He's like a 'Tan Tarzan'. He's both muscular and flexible.
    Now the Champion {James Braddock} is no softy, but he is going to get
    knocked out. I have to go with what the consensus says, Joe Louis by
    a Knockout. {KO in 8}."

    Arch Ward >
    "Joe Louis by Knockout. Within 6-Rounds. If it goes longer, I will eat my hat."

    Frank Lane >
    "James Braddock by a Knockout in 8. I'm not all that excited about this man they
    call 'The Brown Bomber'. He's on the slow side, and he's too mechanical. The
    Champion {James Braddock} will set him up, and catch him coming in with a
    right-hand to the chops and stop him."

    Wilfrid Smith >
    "I know that Braddock is superbly conditioned. But this kid {Joe Louis} throws
    punches like a 'Cannon' going off. He's just too powerful. The Challenger by a
    Knockout in 6."

    Red Garrett >
    "If Joe Louis loses, then he must be the 'most overrated' fighter ever. The Champion
    {James Braddock} is a quality fighter, but he really is 'untested' at Heavyweight. Oh,
    he will give a good account of himself for as long-as-it-lasts. But the Challenger has
    too much ammunition. I'm confident that Joe Louis will win by a stoppage. It will
    go no longer than 9-Rounds. I can see Braddock's corner throwing in the towel."
    Last edited by Bill Paxtom; 06-13-2015 at 09:37 PM.

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    Default Re: James Braddock vs. Joe Louis ~ June 22, 1937 ~ 'The Skinny'

    Braddock had a deal where he took a percentage of Joe's title defences, which was a good move if what unethical.
    Do not let success go to your head and do not let failure get to your heart.

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    Default Re: James Braddock vs. Joe Louis ~ June 22, 1937 ~ 'The Skinny'

    Quote Originally Posted by Master View Post
    Braddock had a deal where he took a percentage of Joe's title defences, which was a good move if what unethical.
    That Is Correct,

    World Champion - James Braddock and Manager - Joe Gould.

    Joe Gould {Manager} inked a great deal for James Braddock.


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    Default Re: James Braddock vs. Joe Louis ~ June 22, 1937 ~ 'The Skinny'

    That deal is as good as a dive. Disgraceful.
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    Default Re: James Braddock vs. Joe Louis ~ June 22, 1937 ~ 'The Skinny'

    Quote Originally Posted by Master View Post
    That deal is as good as a dive. Disgraceful.
    ~ The Skinny ~

    James Braddock didn't hit the 'Lottery Wheel', but what he got from Joe Louis' future take.

    * 10% of his Fight Purse per Year for 10-Years {1937 thru 1946}.
    * But, no more than $15,000 per Year.

    All in all, James Braddock got another $150,000 over 10-years.

    But, Braddock had to give his Manager 30% off that.

    Plus Braddock had to pay 'Taxes' on that 'pay out' as Income.

    Joe Gould {Manager for James Baddock} 'snuffed' Julian Black {Manager for Joe Louis}
    in what Sean Connery called it ......."That's the Chicago Way"
    Last edited by Bill Paxtom; 06-14-2015 at 07:08 PM.

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    Default Re: James Braddock vs. Joe Louis ~ June 22, 1937 ~ 'The Skinny'

    ~ More Skinny ~

    Part I

    On February 4, 1937

    Joe Gould {Manager for James Braddock} nearly signed a deal for his fighter
    to defend against Max Schmeling on June 3, 1937 at Madison Square Garden.

    But the concern was, that the early Gate Receipt 'estimates' were only around
    $250,000.

    Also, the Joe Louis Camp was worried that 'if' Max Schmeling won, he would
    take the World Championship back to Germany, and hold it in 'protective custody'
    for 2-Years {until 1939}.

    There was also concern, that the World Championship would be used as 'a vehicle'
    for Adolf Hitler and the Nazi Propaganda Machine.
    -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    Part II

    The Joe Louis Camp was willing to 'play-ball' to get 'The Brown Bomber' a Title
    chance first, and before Max Schmeling could steal it away from James Braddock
    and bring it back to Germany.

    On February 19, 1937 >

    Chicago Fight Promoter - Joe Folley put together an incredible deal for the World
    Champion - James Braddock.

    First > The bout would be held at Comiskey Park in Chicago on June 22, 1937.

    Second > The estimated Gate Receipts would be close to $1,000,000.

    Third > James Braddock was to receive {67 1/2 %} of the Gate Receipts, and
    with a 'minimum guarantee' of $500,000.

    Fourth > James Braddock would receive 50% of the Motion Picture rights, and
    Broadcasting rights.

    Fifth > James Braddock would receive 10% of Joe Louis' future purses for the
    next 10-Years. {Capped at $15,000 per Year}.

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    Default Re: James Braddock vs. Joe Louis ~ June 22, 1937 ~ 'The Skinny'

    James Braddock

    '1937' Sparring Partners
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    * Jack McCarthy ~ {Age; 27} ~ 6' 4" ~ 202 lbs. ~ {Roxbury, Massachusetts}
    * Record > 16-14-2 {8 KO's}

    Jack was a long-time friend of James Braddock. McCarthy was a durable-type who
    was a good gym sparring partner. Labeled as a 'real tough-guy'.
    ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    * Max 'Maxie' Roesch ~ {Age; 23} ~ 6' 4" ~ 195 lbs. ~ {Dallas, Texas}
    * Record > 9-3-1 {6 KO's}

    'Maxie' was a speed-boxer, who had good footwork and decent power. He was brought
    in to 'primarily' help with Braddock's speed and timing.
    -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    * Charlie Massera~ {Age; 27} ~ 6' 2" ~ 190 lbs. ~ {Upper Darby, Pennsylvania}
    * Record > 35-17-5 {11 KO's}

    Charlie was brought in to pretty much be a 'punching bag', to give James Braddock
    'Rounds-in-the-Ring' to work off the rust.
    -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    * Henry Cooper ~ {Age; 20} ~ 6' 1' ~ 185 lbs. ~ {Brooklyn, New York}
    * Record > 15-6-1 {4 KO's}

    Henry was brought in because he had a good looping right-hand, much like the
    Challenger - Joe Louis. Henry was a young kid, who was a decent boxer with good
    hand-speed. Though, he had little power.
    ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    * Bill Irby ~ {Age; 21} ~ 6' 0" ~ 180 lbs. ~ {Brooklyn, New York}
    * Record > 0-7-1 {0 KO's}

    Bill Irby was brought in to be nothing more than a body, to give James Braddock rounds.
    Last edited by Bill Paxtom; 06-18-2015 at 09:27 PM.

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    Default Re: James Braddock vs. Joe Louis ~ June 22, 1937 ~ 'The Skinny'

    Quote Originally Posted by Bill Paxtom View Post
    ~ More Skinny ~

    Part I

    On February 4, 1937

    Joe Gould {Manager for James Braddock} nearly signed a deal for his fighter
    to defend against Max Schmeling on June 3, 1937 at Madison Square Garden.

    But the concern was, that the early Gate Receipt 'estimates' were only around
    $250,000.

    Also, the Joe Louis Camp was worried that 'if' Max Schmeling won, he would
    take the World Championship back to Germany, and hold it in 'protective custody'
    for 2-Years {until 1939}.

    There was also concern, that the World Championship would be used as 'a vehicle'
    for Adolf Hitler and the Nazi Propaganda Machine.
    -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    Part II

    The Joe Louis Camp was willing to 'play-ball' to get 'The Brown Bomber' a Title
    chance first, and before Max Schmeling could steal it away from James Braddock
    and bring it back to Germany.

    On February 19, 1937 >

    Chicago Fight Promoter - Joe Folley put together an incredible deal for the World
    Champion - James Braddock.

    First > The bout would be held at Comiskey Park in Chicago on June 22, 1937.

    Second > The estimated Gate Receipts would be close to $1,000,000.

    Third > James Braddock was to receive {67 1/2 %} of the Gate Receipts, and
    with a 'minimum guarantee' of $500,000.

    Fourth > James Braddock would receive 50% of the Motion Picture rights, and
    Broadcasting rights.

    Fifth > James Braddock would receive 10% of Joe Louis' future purses for the
    next 10-Years. {Capped at $15,000 per Year}.
    ~ The Contract ~

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    Default Re: James Braddock vs. Joe Louis ~ June 22, 1937 ~ 'The Skinny'

    Quote Originally Posted by Master View Post
    Braddock had a deal where he took a percentage of Joe's title defences, which was a good move if what unethical.
    What the fuck? No wonder Joe Louis went bankrupt so quick. He possibly had the worst management in boxing history.
    David Lemieux = Future MW Champ and P4P King

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    Default Re: James Braddock vs. Joe Louis ~ June 22, 1937 ~ 'The Skinny'

    I'm surprised Mayweather hasn't put a clause like that into his contracts.
    David Lemieux = Future MW Champ and P4P King

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    Default Re: James Braddock vs. Joe Louis ~ June 22, 1937 ~ 'The Skinny'

    Quote Originally Posted by Beanflicker View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Master View Post
    Braddock had a deal where he took a percentage of Joe's title defences, which was a good move if what unethical.
    What the fuck? No wonder Joe Louis went bankrupt so quick. He possibly had the worst management in boxing history.

    Joe Louis with Manager > Julian Black

    Julian Black a former 'Numbers Runner' and 'Card Shark' from Chicago, signed Joe Louis
    to a 10-Year Contract in 1934.

    Julian Black received 25% of everything that Joe Louis 'made'.


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    Default Re: James Braddock vs. Joe Louis ~ June 22, 1937 ~ 'The Skinny'

    I like James Braddock, but he did lose 24 times in his career. Louis did say that Braddock was the gamest fighter he ever fought.

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    Default Re: James Braddock vs. Joe Louis ~ June 22, 1937 ~ 'The Skinny'

    Quote Originally Posted by mrbig1 View Post
    I like James Braddock, but he did lose 24 times in his career. Louis did say that Braddock was the gamest fighter he ever fought.
    In late-1933,

    James Braddock was considered 'washed up' at {Age; 28} with a record > 39-23-4.

    His Manager {Joe Gould} couldn't even get him fights anymore, even while 'begging'
    for scraps {$250 to $300} per bout.

    Braddock had a 'problematic' right-hand that he fractured several times. And his left-arm
    had developed the early stages of 'arthritis', preventing Braddock from fully extending his arm.

    He was a true Second-Rate 'Ham-N-Egger'.

    The only thing he had going, was that he was 'tough' and could take a good beating.

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    Default Re: James Braddock vs. Joe Louis ~ June 22, 1937 ~ 'The Skinny'

    That photo of Joe Louis looks cool playing cards.
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