world war two

[TitoFan]

The same is said of the atomic bombs in Japan. That they saved millions of lives.

[walrus]

The same is said of the atomic bombs in Japan. That they saved millions of lives.

Yes, another tragedy but it was calculated an invasion of Japan would cost a million lives. The Japanese had prepared the population to fight. It would have been a bloodbath. More civilians died in the incendiary bombing of German than in Hiroshima and Nagasaki but again, Japan continued to refuse to surrender. If you want to read about some true horror read about what the Japanese did to Nanking China when they invaded. I think it was 300,000 civilians the Japanese butchered in a week. They were terrible creatures.

[Gandalf]

You always call everyone else a terrible creature but I seldom hear you apply that to your own nations torture, murder and Nazism. All I do is point out that it is all wrong. Try telling the dead of Nagasaki they were the price worth paying, or the people of Dresden, or Fallujah. War is a terrible thing and it happens because there is money in it and little more. Fiat money, the stuff they conjure up and they still need to ruin cities and nations. It is a sickness and they are all war crimes.

[walrus]

You always call everyone else a terrible creature but I seldom hear you apply that to your own nations torture, murder and Nazism. All I do is point out that it is all wrong. Try telling the dead of Nagasaki they were the price worth paying, or the people of Dresden, or Fallujah. War is a terrible thing and it happens because there is money in it and little more. Fiat money, the stuff they conjure up and they still need to ruin cities and nations. It is a sickness and they are all war crimes.

Miles, there was nothing good about ww 2 other than it ended with the destruction of the Nazis. The Japanese commuted genocide against the Chinese, it was called the hidden holocaust. You seem to think I feel America is always right, that is not the case but we are talking about history hear. I think it's a horrible thing we used nukes. I do wish the emperor had surrendered. Do you dislike the US so much you don't appreciate the sacrifices the US made for its allies. We didn't do what Russia did and claim territory we fought to get the Nazis out of. No miles, I don't think the US is without sin, but you don't seem interested in acknowledging anything positive we have done for the world, besides, I was just having a little talk with @TitoFan and a couple other guys. I would not involve you in a conversation like this as I don't want to upset you in case you are trying to enjoy a cocktail. If I don't @Gandalf you, my comments weren't intended for you, and just to make perfectly clear, I still love you, I just prefer not to talk certain things with you.

[TitoFan]

A sign of emotional maturity is to have the ability to be even-handed about your criticisms and praise. No country or government is all bad.... no country or government is all good. Simple as that. You acquire more credibility as a thinking person when you can criticize on one hand, while praising and giving credit on the other. Otherwise, it's perceived (correctly) as just hate.

[walrus]

A sign of emotional maturity is to have the ability to be even-handed about your criticisms and praise. No country or government is all bad.... no country or government is all good. Simple as that. You acquire more credibility as a thinking person when you can criticize on one hand, while praising and giving credit on the other. Otherwise, it's perceived (correctly) as just hate.

True in most cases but whenever a member of the Bush family is rockin the White House America is white, uptight, and outta sight, kind of like a tampon.

[TitoFan]

I guess you can add blood-thirsty, then.

[mrbig1]

The same is said of the atomic bombs in Japan. That they saved millions of lives.

Yes, another tragedy but it was calculated an invasion of Japan would cost a million lives. The Japanese had prepared the population to fight. It would have been a bloodbath. More civilians died in the incendiary bombing of German than in Hiroshima and Nagasaki but again, Japan continued to refuse to surrender. If you want to read about some true horror read about what the Japanese did to Nanking China when they invaded. I think it was 300,000 civilians the Japanese butchered in a week. They were terrible creatures.

Butchered is the right word for that. No one says nothing about that. This is because a Jewish life is more important than a Chinese life.

[mrbig1]

74 years ago today Germany invaded the USSR. One of the bloodiest wars of all time.

[erics44]

74 years ago today Germany invaded the USSR. One of the bloodiest wars of all time.

one step too far

[Gandalf]

The same is said of the atomic bombs in Japan. That they saved millions of lives.

Yes, another tragedy but it was calculated an invasion of Japan would cost a million lives. The Japanese had prepared the population to fight. It would have been a bloodbath. More civilians died in the incendiary bombing of German than in Hiroshima and Nagasaki but again, Japan continued to refuse to surrender. If you want to read about some true horror read about what the Japanese did to Nanking China when they invaded. I think it was 300,000 civilians the Japanese butchered in a week. They were terrible creatures.

Butchered is the right word for that. No one says nothing about that. This is because a Jewish life is more important than a Chinese life.

@walrus what is your take on the above statement?

[walrus]

The same is said of the atomic bombs in Japan. That they saved millions of lives.

Yes, another tragedy but it was calculated an invasion of Japan would cost a million lives. The Japanese had prepared the population to fight. It would have been a bloodbath. More civilians died in the incendiary bombing of German than in Hiroshima and Nagasaki but again, Japan continued to refuse to surrender. If you want to read about some true horror read about what the Japanese did to Nanking China when they invaded. I think it was 300,000 civilians the Japanese butchered in a week. They were terrible creatures.

Butchered is the right word for that. No one says nothing about that. This is because a Jewish life is more important than a Chinese life.

@walrus what is your take on the above statement?

Well @Gandalf, I would need the op to explain himself a bit more. I don't know if he is trying to make a point I am missing with his statement. But the Japanese committed the same atrocities against the Chinese that the Germans did to the Jews. Mengle like medical experiments and all. It is referred to as the hidden Holocaust.

[Gandalf]

The same is said of the atomic bombs in Japan. That they saved millions of lives.

Yes, another tragedy but it was calculated an invasion of Japan would cost a million lives. The Japanese had prepared the population to fight. It would have been a bloodbath. More civilians died in the incendiary bombing of German than in Hiroshima and Nagasaki but again, Japan continued to refuse to surrender. If you want to read about some true horror read about what the Japanese did to Nanking China when they invaded. I think it was 300,000 civilians the Japanese butchered in a week. They were terrible creatures.

Butchered is the right word for that. No one says nothing about that. This is because a Jewish life is more important than a Chinese life.

@walrus what is your take on the above statement?

Well @Gandalf , I would need the op to explain himself a bit more. I don't know if he is trying to make a point I am missing with his statement. But the Japanese committed the same atrocities against the Chinese that the Germans did to the Jews. Mengle like medical experiments and all. It is referred to as the hidden Holocaust.

Just a joke comment as I know you are a big fan of Israel and have a Chinese wife. Nothing funny about genocide though and that is all I will say on the topic.

[walrus]

The same is said of the atomic bombs in Japan. That they saved millions of lives.

Yes, another tragedy but it was calculated an invasion of Japan would cost a million lives. The Japanese had prepared the population to fight. It would have been a bloodbath. More civilians died in the incendiary bombing of German than in Hiroshima and Nagasaki but again, Japan continued to refuse to surrender. If you want to read about some true horror read about what the Japanese did to Nanking China when they invaded. I think it was 300,000 civilians the Japanese butchered in a week. They were terrible creatures.

Butchered is the right word for that. No one says nothing about that. This is because a Jewish life is more important than a Chinese life.

@walrus what is your take on the above statement?

Well @Gandalf , I would need the op to explain himself a bit more. I don't know if he is trying to make a point I am missing with his statement. But the Japanese committed the same atrocities against the Chinese that the Germans did to the Jews. Mengle like medical experiments and all. It is referred to as the hidden Holocaust.

Just a joke comment as I know you are a big fan of Israel and have a Chinese wife. Nothing funny about genocide though and that is all I will say on the topic.

@Gandalf, I was thinking the gentlemen may have been referring to media views on Chinese v Jewish people at the time. The genocide against the Chinese got very little attention during and after the war. Perhaps a large part of that is it took place outside of the European theatre but then again Mao worked very hard to keep China a closed nation for many years after the war. It is estimated Chairman Mao killed more people than Hitler and Stalin combined. I've also read Mao refused to brush his teeth and would only have sex with young virgins.