American confederate flag

[El Kabong]

Slavery did play a major part in tensions betwixt north and south and you can read how it had been swept under the rug up until the Lincoln administration but there was more to the war than just the slavery issue. Some of the founding fathers wanted to address slavery in the declaration of independence but the majority felt the nation was not ready for it. Had the issue of slavery been handled by the founding fathers and saying this I mean had they banned it, would the civil war have taken place, who knows.

Well heavy taxation on the South and 0, I mean 0 Federal spending on the South isolated that part of the country regardless of slavery. It was agrarian society vs industrial society plain and simple and only 1 kind of economy was going to win the day as top dog.

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I understand that flags are very important to Americans, and that they carry immense symbolism and also the weight of recent history .... so I don't think I really know enough about the South etc to comment on the use of the confederate flag.

The wider issue of exactly what the confederate flag means to people is enormously complex. Some see it as a vital part of their heritage, some see it as a symbol of rebellion, others see it as representing slavers. Those people will ALWAYS see it as they see it now.

It's like the Stars and Stripes .... Americans are very protective and passionate about their flag, but some Pakistani in Baluchistan will see it as representing something very different.

However, in the context of the recent shooting, I don't see any clear linkage with the confederate flag, apart from that he was photographed with one. He was also photographed wearing a Golds Gym t shirt and nobody is saying that should be banned?

[El Kabong]

No version of the Confederate flag EVER EVER EVER EVER flew on the deck of a slave trader ship...those flew American flags.

Sure the Battle Flag of Northern Virginia has been co-opted by some hateful groups but none of them the actual Confederate States.

Here's some perspective.





....so yeah, there's that

[El Kabong]

Also it's fucking typical for the news to turn their focus from "Aww what a horrible tragedy, those poor families" and "What strength, peace, and community Charleston and the whole of South Carolina has shown in the face of this horrible event!" to ...."Hey! Look at that flag! It's EEEEEVIL!!!!!"


Fucking news twats....all about the ratings never about results.


I think they were very disappointed that there were no riots and that professional protesters were told to "go home"

[SlimTrae]

Also it's fucking typical for the news to turn their focus from "Aww what a horrible tragedy, those poor families" and "What strength, peace, and community Charleston and the whole of South Carolina has shown in the face of this horrible event!" to ...."Hey! Look at that flag! It's EEEEEVIL!!!!!"


Fucking news twats....all about the ratings never about results.


I think they were very disappointed that there were no riots and that professional protesters were told to "go home"

I actually agree. Mainstream media is helping to detract by injecting the confederate flag. I am no fan of it, but can't see how that caused that sad soul to do what he did.
I'm at the Amtrak station right now...so I'm forced to watch CNN...they are acting as if this makes Donald Trump qualified....he is responding to the (tough) question, which is the flag.
Wrong question and CNN is straight up in the wrong.

[El Kabong]

It's not just CNN, it's everywhere....and guess what's next?


GUN CONTROL!!!



For fucks sake....the media are just ratings addicts and they want to play to the folks who know about HALF of a thing, not the entirety of a thing, but just sort of grasp half an idea, but are willing to buy into it 100% and defend their stance to the death! Prove them absolutely 100% wrong, and they'll double down on their view even harder!

[Beanflicker]

I'd love to see a flag that doesn't carry with it some unfortunate past. It's a symbol, and like George Carlin said, "I leave symbols for the symbol-minded."

It's amazing that after this massacre, THIS is what people are upset about. It's a symbol, like a word. It has absolutely no meaning other than what you want it to mean. It's the ideas and views they should be worried about. Some people are racist, they don't like people of other races and they treat other races like crap - how is banning the confederate flag or the N-word going to change that? They're still going to feel the same way.

[SlimTrae]

I understand that flags are very important to Americans, and that they carry immense symbolism

Not all Americans.just the ones who claim to follow a Jesus that says take no graven images idols, aka symbols. What irony.


and also the weight of recent history .... so I don't think I really know enough about the South etc to comment on the use of the confederate flag.
It's a flag which heritage is steeped in chattel slavery. Not biblical servitude where men submitted themselves under tutliedge of older wiser men. One man even gained his master's daughter for a wife. The south's idea was to deny the right to read think, figure. Please google Henry Barry in the house of delegates in 1832 He was successful in claiming that abolition was an evil. And that the politicians with religion should shut down the light by which God had the capacity to enter a slave mind. Thus reducing my people to the level of the beast of the field. That is the heritage of the south. Slaves in the south had no clue of freedom, so some of their ignorant asses fought to stay enslaved

The wider issue of exactly what the confederate flag means to people is enormously complex. Some see it as a vital part of their heritage
Again, what does it consist of?

, some see it as a symbol of rebellion, others see it as representing slavers. Those people will ALWAYS see it as they see it now.


Ron Paul..that you hear some republicans talk about...please!!! Read what he thinks about lincoln...the war was not needed..it forever divided south and north...while Britain and other nations bought out their slaves....we had an uncivil war to do it....

It's like the Stars and Stripes .... Americans are very protective and passionate about their flag, but some Pakistani in Baluchistan will see it as representing something very different.
Side note...when a boxing match occurs between Mexico and Puerto Rico...man the winner will show their flag on their cars like...fuck the American flag....to no anger by white or black, funny shit to me.

However, in the context of the recent shooting, I don't see any clear linkage with the confederate flag, apart from that he was photographed with one. He was also photographed wearing a Golds Gym t shirt and nobody is saying that should be banned?

It is a detraction, you are very aware to be so distant from our shores