Is Errol Spence "special"??

[Fenster]

Looks the business so far. "Special" is pushing it a bit

I saw an interview last week with Thurman - he said he'd be happy to knock the boy out but he has a lot to prove before he's at his level. Which is fair enough.

[Fenster]

[erics44]

The fella he beat up the other night had never been stopped before had he? Bin in with porter too

Good form in itself innit

Or am I thinking of the wrong geezer?

[Ron Swanson]

Looks the business so far. "Special" is pushing it a bit

I saw an interview last week with Thurman - he said he'd be happy to knock the boy out but he has a lot to prove before he's at his level. Which is fair enough.

That's a no. He might very well KO Spence but Thurman hasn't done much more than Spence, Thurman has been managed very carefully. Difference is Spence is eager to step up, Thurman is looking for a payday. Thurman should be happy to fight Spence for a title, he should be calling for Brook, these are the show me fights. But he talks about Pac and Floyd(paydays) while fighting frickin Collazo. He's no different than Khan, a talent that won't earn his shot.

[erics44]

Looks the business so far. "Special" is pushing it a bit

I saw an interview last week with Thurman - he said he'd be happy to knock the boy out but he has a lot to prove before he's at his level. Which is fair enough.

That's a no. He might very well KO Spence but Thurman hasn't done much more than Spence, Thurman has been managed very carefully. Difference is Spence is eager to step up, Thurman is looking for a payday. Thurman should be happy to fight Spence for a title, he should be calling for Brook, these are the show me fights. But he talks about Pac and Floyd(paydays) while fighting frickin Collazo. He's no different than Khan, a talent that won't earn his shot.

what does khan have to do to "earn a shot"?

[Ron Swanson]

Looks the business so far. "Special" is pushing it a bit

I saw an interview last week with Thurman - he said he'd be happy to knock the boy out but he has a lot to prove before he's at his level. Which is fair enough.

That's a no. He might very well KO Spence but Thurman hasn't done much more than Spence, Thurman has been managed very carefully. Difference is Spence is eager to step up, Thurman is looking for a payday. Thurman should be happy to fight Spence for a title, he should be calling for Brook, these are the show me fights. But he talks about Pac and Floyd(paydays) while fighting frickin Collazo. He's no different than Khan, a talent that won't earn his shot.

what does khan have to do to "earn a shot"?

He could have fought Brook. Same thing Thurman should be looking to do. Anyone fighting good opponents would be a huge improvement over what is going on in the sport now. Instead of top guys fighting top guys Collazo gets them all, there is something seriously wrong with that. Every fight can't marinate, some just need to be made, some people need to put up or shut up.

[erics44]

Looks the business so far. "Special" is pushing it a bit

I saw an interview last week with Thurman - he said he'd be happy to knock the boy out but he has a lot to prove before he's at his level. Which is fair enough.

That's a no. He might very well KO Spence but Thurman hasn't done much more than Spence, Thurman has been managed very carefully. Difference is Spence is eager to step up, Thurman is looking for a payday. Thurman should be happy to fight Spence for a title, he should be calling for Brook, these are the show me fights. But he talks about Pac and Floyd(paydays) while fighting frickin Collazo. He's no different than Khan, a talent that won't earn his shot.

what does khan have to do to "earn a shot"?

He could have fought Brook. Same thing Thurman should be looking to do. Anyone fighting good opponents would be a huge improvement over what is going on in the sport now. Instead of top guys fighting top guys Collazo gets them all, there is something seriously wrong with that. Every fight can't marinate, some just need to be made, some people need to put up or shut up.

so if khan fought brook and won then he would have earned a shot?

and if thurman was to fight brook he would have earned a shot?

is it just brook they need to fight?

what about Berto? if they fight him would they have earned a shot? or Broner?

[Ron Swanson]

Looks the business so far. "Special" is pushing it a bit

I saw an interview last week with Thurman - he said he'd be happy to knock the boy out but he has a lot to prove before he's at his level. Which is fair enough.

That's a no. He might very well KO Spence but Thurman hasn't done much more than Spence, Thurman has been managed very carefully. Difference is Spence is eager to step up, Thurman is looking for a payday. Thurman should be happy to fight Spence for a title, he should be calling for Brook, these are the show me fights. But he talks about Pac and Floyd(paydays) while fighting frickin Collazo. He's no different than Khan, a talent that won't earn his shot.

what does khan have to do to "earn a shot"?

He could have fought Brook. Same thing Thurman should be looking to do. Anyone fighting good opponents would be a huge improvement over what is going on in the sport now. Instead of top guys fighting top guys Collazo gets them all, there is something seriously wrong with that. Every fight can't marinate, some just need to be made, some people need to put up or shut up.

so if khan fought brook and won then he would have earned a shot?

and if thurman was to fight brook he would have earned a shot?

is it just brook they need to fight?

what about Berto? if they fight him would they have earned a shot? or Broner?

I see what you're doing. You're being disingenuous. Go ahead and make your winning point. I'll have an actual discussion with someone who wants to have a discussion not try to set traps. Obvious though they may be. I don't care to "win" a debate. I want people to open their damn eyes and see the promoters are selling garbage. There are good fights that should be made.

I don't know what the hell boxing fans have against good fighters fighting good fighters.

[IamInuit]

He was pretty impressive. Even does the tuck and roll from the opposite side and is yet offensive. Reminds me a little of the 135 Floyd. 135 and 12 as an amateur and won three National titles in a row. Not sure if that's been done before. Diamond in the ruff for sure.

[erics44]

Looks the business so far. "Special" is pushing it a bit

I saw an interview last week with Thurman - he said he'd be happy to knock the boy out but he has a lot to prove before he's at his level. Which is fair enough.

That's a no. He might very well KO Spence but Thurman hasn't done much more than Spence, Thurman has been managed very carefully. Difference is Spence is eager to step up, Thurman is looking for a payday. Thurman should be happy to fight Spence for a title, he should be calling for Brook, these are the show me fights. But he talks about Pac and Floyd(paydays) while fighting frickin Collazo. He's no different than Khan, a talent that won't earn his shot.

what does khan have to do to "earn a shot"?

He could have fought Brook. Same thing Thurman should be looking to do. Anyone fighting good opponents would be a huge improvement over what is going on in the sport now. Instead of top guys fighting top guys Collazo gets them all, there is something seriously wrong with that. Every fight can't marinate, some just need to be made, some people need to put up or shut up.

so if khan fought brook and won then he would have earned a shot?

and if thurman was to fight brook he would have earned a shot?

is it just brook they need to fight?

what about Berto? if they fight him would they have earned a shot? or Broner?

I see what you're doing. You're being disingenuous. Go ahead and make your winning point. I'll have an actual discussion with someone who wants to have a discussion not try to set traps. Obvious though they may be. I don't care to "win" a debate. I want people to open their damn eyes and see the promoters are selling garbage. There are good fights that should be made.

I don't know what the hell boxing fans have against good fighters fighting good fighters.

mate i was just pointing out how daft you sound

thurman is a big name, some impressive performances and i dont think anyone would agrue with floyd fighting him

and khan has more than earned his shot, he has fought as many top LWW and WW contenders as anyone

neither need to fight brook to have earned their shot at anyone

they both deserve a pay day the size of what they would get if they fought mayweather

as does brook

[Fenster]

Looks the business so far. "Special" is pushing it a bit

I saw an interview last week with Thurman - he said he'd be happy to knock the boy out but he has a lot to prove before he's at his level. Which is fair enough.

That's a no. He might very well KO Spence but Thurman hasn't done much more than Spence, Thurman has been managed very carefully. Difference is Spence is eager to step up, Thurman is looking for a payday. Thurman should be happy to fight Spence for a title, he should be calling for Brook, these are the show me fights. But he talks about Pac and Floyd(paydays) while fighting frickin Collazo. He's no different than Khan, a talent that won't earn his shot.

Thurman is doing nothing different to everyone else. It's a food chain.

Floyd wont fight Thurman because he can make the same money against less dangerous fighters. Thurman wont fight Spence because he can currently make the same/more money against bigger names in the division.

Just because Floyd wants his boy to get fast tracked up the ladder it doesn't mean guys like Thurman are going to bend over and say go right ahead.

These guys are all with Haymon anyway, if they wanted to make the fights they would.

[Ron Swanson]

Looks the business so far. "Special" is pushing it a bit

I saw an interview last week with Thurman - he said he'd be happy to knock the boy out but he has a lot to prove before he's at his level. Which is fair enough.

That's a no. He might very well KO Spence but Thurman hasn't done much more than Spence, Thurman has been managed very carefully. Difference is Spence is eager to step up, Thurman is looking for a payday. Thurman should be happy to fight Spence for a title, he should be calling for Brook, these are the show me fights. But he talks about Pac and Floyd(paydays) while fighting frickin Collazo. He's no different than Khan, a talent that won't earn his shot.

Thurman is doing nothing different to everyone else. It's a food chain.

Floyd wont fight Thurman because he can make the same money against less dangerous fighters. Thurman wont fight Spence because he can currently make the same/more money against bigger names in the division.

Just because Floyd wants his boy to get fast tracked up the ladder it doesn't mean guys like Thurman are going to bend over and say go right ahead.

These guys are all with Haymon anyway, if they wanted to make the fights they would.

Big names? Like Collazo? Collazo wasn't that good at his best. A title shot is a title shot. And F names! People should fight talented fighters not names.

[Fenster]

F names! People should fight talented fighters not names.

Why doesn't Floyd fight Errol Spence then? If Floyd thinks he's good enough to beat Thurman or Porter then Floyd should fight him, right? Don't make sense to duck him

[Ron Swanson]

F names! People should fight talented fighters not names.

Why doesn't Floyd fight Errol Spence then? If Floyd thinks he's good enough to beat Thurman or Porter then Floyd should fight him, right? Don't make sense to duck him

I'd love to see it. Anyone fighting talented fighters is good. Let the Rios, Collazo, Alexander types fight each other and the more talented people fight each other. All i see lined up is showcase fights anymore and it gets worse all the time. Let someone prove themself so we don't have to debate it.

[Fenster]

F names! People should fight talented fighters not names.

Why doesn't Floyd fight Errol Spence then? If Floyd thinks he's good enough to beat Thurman or Porter then Floyd should fight him, right? Don't make sense to duck him

I'd love to see it. Anyone fighting talented fighters is good. Let the Rios, Collazo, Alexander types fight each other and the more talented people fight each other. All i see lined up is showcase fights anymore and it gets worse all the time. Let someone prove themself so we don't have to debate it.

Yeah it would be great if us fans could make the matches. But boxing is a business. It's about making money for EVERY fighter and everyone involved with them.

Back in the day, before Floyd became superduper rich, he was offered $8 million to fight Margarito and $8 million to fight Baldomir. Now everyone knows the Margarito fight was infinitely more appealing for the fans but much more dangerous for Floyd.

So Floyd took the easy option for the same money. Makes perfect sense. Now if Floyd was offered $16 million to fight Margarito i'm sure he would have taken the tougher challenge. Business.