Cassius Clay vs Sonny Liston

[Lineal]

Do not listen to bill's bull. The fight was real. Ali at his best.

In your 3rd sentence, you got the young fella's name wrong.

It was Cassius Clay on February 25, 1964.

Check the signature on the contract.............. Cassius Clay.

Ali legally changed his name. Sure it was Clay then but it is Ali now. Check yourself. Don't correct others when you are continuously erroneous.

Hold on, you pulled 'a boner' there Mr. Lineal.

Cassius Clay started calling himself 'Cassius X' first. Stealing that moniker from Malcolm X.

He never legally changed his name at first.

Make a note of it.

Did Ali legally change his name or not? I think you'll find the answer is yes.

[Bill Paxtom]

Do not listen to bill's bull. The fight was real. Ali at his best.

In your 3rd sentence, you got the young fella's name wrong.

It was Cassius Clay on February 25, 1964.

Check the signature on the contract.............. Cassius Clay.

Ali legally changed his name. Sure it was Clay then but it is Ali now. Check yourself. Don't correct others when you are continuously erroneous.

Hold on, you pulled 'a boner' there Mr. Lineal.

Cassius Clay started calling himself 'Cassius X' first. Stealing that moniker from Malcolm X.

He never legally changed his name at first.

Make a note of it.

Did Ali legally change his name or not? I think you'll find the answer is yes.

His Mother,

Who brought Cassius Marcellus Clay Jr. into this World, never accepted it.

That's good enough for me.

Odessa Grady Clay >
"Oh, Cassius has been calling himself all sorts of names since he was little. He wanted to be
Mickey Mantle, then Willie Mays. But he couldn't really play Baseball. He wasn't that good in
Sports, other than Boxing."

"He wanted to be Jack Johnson. Sometimes he wanted to be Jack Dempsey, and other
times it was Floyd Patterson. He always wrote those names on his sweatshirt when he
went to the boxing matches."

"For a while, he was calling himself 'Young Jack Johnson'. I thought that was funny,
because Jack Johnson was really flamboyant, and my son was so reserved and shy."

"But this name changing stuff. Oh it's just a phase to get some publicity. If it doesn't work,
he will come up with another name. But, no matter what, he will always be Cassius to me."

[Lineal]

Did he change it legally Bill? No matter how you dress it up, a pig is still a pig. Your wrong. If you wish to continue being wrong that's your prerogative but don't try to correct others when your ignorance keeps you completely awry of the facts.

[Bill Paxtom]

Mothers are never wrong.

[Master]

Cassius is a beautiful name, Haye named his son after him, but Clay was the slave name which he wanted to change.

[Bill Paxtom]

Cassius is a beautiful name, Haye named his son after him, but Clay was the slave name which he wanted to change.

Isn't it funny,

How 'Young Cassius' suddenly got religion when he found out that his number was
up for the United States Selective Service.

What A Coincidence .............

Sonji Roi >
"You know, Cassius fell in love with me, for who I was. Then he wanted me to change, to help
him with his problems to get out of his commitment to the United States Selective Service."

"I got the feeling that I was being used as 'a tool'. I was his wife for God's Sake. He wanted me
to stop living, and become his slave. Isn't that a 'Fucking Spin' on his new found righteousness."

[Master]

Cassius is a beautiful name, Haye named his son after him, but Clay was the slave name which he wanted to change.

Isn't it funny,

How 'Young Cassius' suddenly got religion when he found out that his number was
up for the United States Selective Service.

What A Coincidence .............

He was going to change his name anyway and had nothing to do with the draft.

[Andre]

Do not listen to bill's bull. The fight was real. Ali at his best.

In your 3rd sentence, you got the young fella's name wrong.

It was Cassius Clay on February 25, 1964.

Check the signature on the contract.............. Cassius Clay.

Ali legally changed his name. Sure it was Clay then but it is Ali now. Check yourself. Don't correct others when you are continuously erroneous.

Hold on, you pulled 'a boner' there Mr. Lineal.

Cassius Clay started calling himself 'Cassius X' first. Stealing that moniker from Malcolm X.

He never legally changed his name at first.

Make a note of it.

Did Ali legally change his name or not? I think you'll find the answer is yes.

His Mother,

Who brought Cassius Marcellus Clay Jr. into this World, never accepted it.

That's good enough for me.

Odessa Grady Clay >
"Oh, Cassius has been calling himself all sorts of names since he was little. He wanted to be
Mickey Mantle, then Willie Mays. But he couldn't really play Baseball. He wasn't that good in
Sports, other than Boxing."

"He wanted to be Jack Johnson. Sometimes he wanted to be Jack Dempsey, and other
times it was Floyd Patterson. He always wrote those names on his sweatshirt when he
went to the boxing matches."

"For a while, he was calling himself 'Young Jack Johnson'. I thought that was funny,
because Jack Johnson was really flamboyant, and my son was so reserved and shy."

"But this name changing stuff. Oh it's just a phase to get some publicity. If it doesn't work,
he will come up with another name. But, no matter what, he will always be Cassius to me."

You must have all the books on him, by him, and for him by his family,thats really nice,we all like him too.

[Bill Paxtom]

Andre,

Are you aware that John Astin was a horrible 'Riddler'.

It would be as if .......... Cassius Clay played 'Gomez'

[Andre]

John really did love Carolyn Jones but alas.

[Bill Paxtom]

John really did love Carolyn Jones but alas.

Not True,

They were just good friends. Nothing ever happened ..... sexually.

After 'The Addams Family' was cancelled, John Astin 'back-stabbed' Frank Gorshin
and accepted the role of 'The Riddler' in the Batman series.

Frank Gorshin was in contract talks for {Series 2} in late-1966. When the contract talks stalled,
John Astin said he could play 'The Riddler'.

He did, but played it badly in one 'double' Episode {February 8th and 9th, 1967}. The producer
of Batman {William Dozier} cancelled the remaining '3' episodes for The Riddler in Season 2.

He was so bad as The Riddler, that Producer - William Dozier 'begged' Frank Gorshin to come back
for Season 3.

William Dozier >
"I made a few mistakes in 'The Batman' series for sure. But the biggest mistake, was in not locking
up Frank Gorshin as 'The Riddler' for Season 2."

"John Astin was no Riddler. He told me he could play the part, but John was 'horrible'. John was too
slow, and did not have the 'quick response' of Frank Gorhsin. He was too laid back, and his actions
were forced, where Frank Gorshin's were more natural."

"John Astin was not for our series. He was just a 'fill-in'. A mistake for sure."

[Andre]

I didnt say he slept with her or anything of the sort.
She was happily married and John respected that, I said he loved her.