American confederate flag

[Beanz]

Context

So last week in Britain, Britain First, the far right group who misleadingly present themselves as patriotic, attack Comedian Jason Manford, who is about as mainstream as you can get. Why ?

Because he decided to delete some facebook friends who post and forward their propaganda. They (Britain First) attack him for branding them racist and then go on to respond by posting a photo of unfunny comedian Jason Manford, and funny comedian Ross Noble, in front of a swastika flag with the caption

"How is it 'racist' to oppose a multi-racial religion whose adherents include black, white, Asian and Oriental people? Is it 'racist' to oppose Islamic extremism? "Any man who thinks Nazism is funny is a disgrace."






Manford responds with "No, Nazism isn't funny, but Mel Brooks' 'The Producers Musical' is.

Because he is appearing in Mel Brooks musical with Noble.


So obviously parodying Nazism in a show or film like that is not the same as flying a Nazi flag outside your house. I mean in a way that would be display quite a Jewish sense of humour, if the resident was a non-gentile, but in all likely hood that would more likely be an insensitive prick, trying to make a point. Now if that angered residents both Jewish and non-Jewish in the neighborhood to confront him, ( after all many, many Christians in Britain died fighting the bastards) then maybe he would see things differently. So their right to be offended would actually have produced some good.

Meanwhile Britain First's right to be offended reveals the simple mindedness at the heart of all their propaganda.

You will remember that many Punks played with Nazi imagery and wanted to provoke and offend. They never encountered PC attitudes until they went to America where in huge parts of the media, there was an irony and complexity failure, that meant they just could not process it. That American PC attitude is still there at the heart of those who insist on only seeing things as black and white. So the right to offend is not synonymous with the right to employ that right willy nilly, without ever having to expect it to be challenged.

[Beanflicker]

Context has completely been destroyed now a days by these righteously indignant morons.

Anyone who says "(Insert subject here) is NEVER funny" is a tool. ANYTHING can be funny, and nothing should be off the table IMO.

[IamInuit]

Seems odd to me that it took an act of brutal murder to give that flag its exit papers. Claiming it as some southern cross is like hanging a Nazi flag in a state in Israel and claiming its a symbol of National Socialism.

For the Hindus and Buddhists in India and other Asian countries, the swastika was an important symbol for many thousands of years and, to this day, the symbol can still be seen in abundance - on temples, buses, taxis, and on the cover of books. It was also used in Ancient Greece and can be found in the remains of the ancient city of Troy, which existed 4,000 years ago. The ancient Druids and the Celts also used the symbol, reflected in many artifacts that have been discovered. It was used by Nordic tribes and even early Christians used the Swastika as one of their symbols, including the Teutonic Knights, a German medieval military order, which became a purely religious Catholic Order.

Even with that history, you dont see neighbourhoods at least in the Western world dawning that symbol outside of the nutbar skinheads and white supremacists.

[walrus]

Seems odd to me that it took an act of brutal murder to give that flag its exit papers. Claiming it as some southern cross is like hanging a Nazi flag in a state in Israel and claiming its a symbol of National Socialism.

For the Hindus and Buddhists in India and other Asian countries, the swastika was an important symbol for many thousands of years and, to this day, the symbol can still be seen in abundance - on temples, buses, taxis, and on the cover of books. It was also used in Ancient Greece and can be found in the remains of the ancient city of Troy, which existed 4,000 years ago. The ancient Druids and the Celts also used the symbol, reflected in many artifacts that have been discovered. It was used by Nordic tribes and even early Christians used the Swastika as one of their symbols, including the Teutonic Knights, a German medieval military order, which became a purely religious Catholic Order.

Even with that history, you dont see neighbourhoods at least in the Western world dawning that symbol outside of the nutbar skinheads and white supremacists.

Oddly, it was a Christian church in his home town where Hitler first saw the symbol which would come to be called the swastika. It is still there today.

[Gandalf]

Seems odd to me that it took an act of brutal murder to give that flag its exit papers. Claiming it as some southern cross is like hanging a Nazi flag in a state in Israel and claiming its a symbol of National Socialism.

For the Hindus and Buddhists in India and other Asian countries, the swastika was an important symbol for many thousands of years and, to this day, the symbol can still be seen in abundance - on temples, buses, taxis, and on the cover of books. It was also used in Ancient Greece and can be found in the remains of the ancient city of Troy, which existed 4,000 years ago. The ancient Druids and the Celts also used the symbol, reflected in many artifacts that have been discovered. It was used by Nordic tribes and even early Christians used the Swastika as one of their symbols, including the Teutonic Knights, a German medieval military order, which became a purely religious Catholic Order.

Even with that history, you dont see neighbourhoods at least in the Western world dawning that symbol outside of the nutbar skinheads and white supremacists.

Oddly, it was a Christian church in his home town where Hitler first saw the symbol which would come to be called the swastika. It is still there today.

The Swastika is sometimes seen throughout Asian countries, I've seen it here often enough, and and is typically associated with Buddhism. It can can have peaceful meanings that go far beyond the over played Nazi card. If flipped suggest something different, but most are too ignorant to even realise which way it should go round and would likely start spitting something about 'evil' and 'ovens' and how disrespectful it all is. 'Look in the mirror, my rotund friend, and let's talk about respect' says the monk in a moment of non serenity. And he is not politically correct either! Holy cow, call CNN! As I say, a flag is just a flag. It's meaning is whatever the propaganda and yourself allow it to have. The rest should be up to you.

[IamInuit]

Seems odd to me that it took an act of brutal murder to give that flag its exit papers. Claiming it as some southern cross is like hanging a Nazi flag in a state in Israel and claiming its a symbol of National Socialism.

For the Hindus and Buddhists in India and other Asian countries, the swastika was an important symbol for many thousands of years and, to this day, the symbol can still be seen in abundance - on temples, buses, taxis, and on the cover of books. It was also used in Ancient Greece and can be found in the remains of the ancient city of Troy, which existed 4,000 years ago. The ancient Druids and the Celts also used the symbol, reflected in many artifacts that have been discovered. It was used by Nordic tribes and even early Christians used the Swastika as one of their symbols, including the Teutonic Knights, a German medieval military order, which became a purely religious Catholic Order.

Even with that history, you dont see neighbourhoods at least in the Western world dawning that symbol outside of the nutbar skinheads and white supremacists.

Oddly, it was a Christian church in his home town where Hitler first saw the symbol which would come to be called the swastika. It is still there today.

They dont parade it. That confederate flag represents the same thing as the Nazi flag minus the ovens.

[El Kabong]

Seems odd to me that it took an act of brutal murder to give that flag its exit papers. Claiming it as some southern cross is like hanging a Nazi flag in a state in Israel and claiming its a symbol of National Socialism.

For the Hindus and Buddhists in India and other Asian countries, the swastika was an important symbol for many thousands of years and, to this day, the symbol can still be seen in abundance - on temples, buses, taxis, and on the cover of books. It was also used in Ancient Greece and can be found in the remains of the ancient city of Troy, which existed 4,000 years ago. The ancient Druids and the Celts also used the symbol, reflected in many artifacts that have been discovered. It was used by Nordic tribes and even early Christians used the Swastika as one of their symbols, including the Teutonic Knights, a German medieval military order, which became a purely religious Catholic Order.

Even with that history, you dont see neighbourhoods at least in the Western world dawning that symbol outside of the nutbar skinheads and white supremacists.

Oddly, it was a Christian church in his home town where Hitler first saw the symbol which would come to be called the swastika. It is still there today.

They dont parade it. That confederate flag represents the same thing as the Nazi flag minus the ovens.

Alright then present the case for that line of thought. How is the Battle flag of Northern Virginia like the Swastika only minus the ovens?

[walrus]

No doubt the flag has negative connotations. George Wallace brought back into style in his state. I guess my take is very much influenced by me being a civil war buff. War wise, Robert E Lee was a brilliant tactician.. Stone wall Jackson, another great mind. When I see the flag I don't relate it at all to slavery or opression, again, that's just my take. The southern hicks I know who have the battle flag on their car do it to show their rebel anti government spirit. Still, perhaps flying it over a state capital is not appropriate. I encourage anyone able to visit the Gettysburg national park. It's an absolutely amazing place.