Does it scare Americans that Trump is in second place?

[Beanz]

That is a good question. I think when you look at how systems of power operate there is often a duality. For instance, they claim to be fighting terrorism yet are actively funding and supporting terrorist groups. They twist language so that even dissent becomes terrorism, yet government creates terrorism! I think in a similar way, feminism came about in the guise of women's liberation, which of course, to some extent it was, but it also got women into work so that corporations could further reduce wages and children became wards of the state. With sexuality you see the guise of equal rights, but where is the push coming from exactly? Even back in the 1970's Labour politicians were promoting lowering the age of consent, basically legalising paedophilia. My own view, and people will disagree, is that it is all about subverting moral norms and conditioning people to accept and tolerate things such as the lowering of the age of consent later on. There are deviant people in positions of power that want their behaviour to be seen as less deviant now that it is becoming common knowledge what they have been up to. Once you accept gay marriage and gays adopting etc, then you know you are at the stage where almost anything is permitted. Then these people have no reason to fear the law or act in fear. It is good that people want to share their lives together, but I think the rush to get this all passed, is intentional and has ulterior motives. Society functioned better when government was more for people and family instead of corporations and broken families. That much is fairly obvious. We should be very careful as we know what works but do the opposite with the financial systems, morality, wars, destruction of the family etc.

"Once you accept gay marriage and gays adopting etc, then you know you are at the stage where almost anything is permitted"

What a daft thing to say. You are making links that are just not there and jumping to conclusions in order to bolster what is an incredibly feeble argument. You link deviancy and homosexuality when in reality A gay person living in denial would be the deviant one. You do realise that child abusers are very often married straight man who trumpet the same family values bullshit that you try and ram down our throats every day ? The idea that feminism sneaked in under the guise of women's liberation and this allowed corporations to reduce wages and governments to make children wards of state is another load of bollocks. What are you suggesting ? That women should not have been afforded the right to work ? That men are superior to women? That Gay people have an agenda, where they want everyone else to be gay,and can somehow with propaganda make this happen ? What planet are you on mate?

[Gandalf]

It is the classic alter society by stealth tactic. Surely you have read about Harriet Harman and Pie. That kind of thinking exists and you know that there are people that have an agenda to subvert society through incremental manipulation of moral norms.

Are families better off today with both parents working and less time for kids and less money? Feminism got work and alimony and attitude. Not much more. Family was dismantled and the welfare queen grew.

I think most gay people are quite open about it. Like I say I am cool with gay marriage, but believe there is more to it with groups like pie etc. Are you saying that I am gay there? Im not thankfully. It all seems a little mucky for me. I believe in conservative values because I reject how I was raised, I believe kids need love and nurturing with a mother and father and a degree of security. Simple as that really. My motives are fairly simple. As you know I like to keep things simple.

[Beanflicker]

[Gandalf]

David Bowie. Top man in the world. But a reformed gay.

[Beanz]

David Bowie. Top man in the world. But a reformed gay.

Reformed what like a cheap remoulded second hand tire or a tin of Spam

[Beanz]

It is the classic alter society by stealth tactic. Surely you have read about Harriet Harman and Pie. That kind of thinking exists and you know that there are people that have an agenda to subvert society through incremental manipulation of moral norms.

Are families better off today with both parents working and less time for kids and less money? Feminism got work and alimony and attitude. Not much more. Family was dismantled and the welfare queen grew.

I think most gay people are quite open about it. Like I say I am cool with gay marriage, but believe there is more to it with groups like pie etc. Are you saying that I am gay there? Im not thankfully. It all seems a little mucky for me. I believe in conservative values because I reject how I was raised, I believe kids need love and nurturing with a mother and father and a degree of security. Simple as that really. My motives are fairly simple. As you know I like to keep things simple.

So you are suggesting that Gay people have an agenda to subvert society and make Peadophilia acceptable ? and that the way they are doing this is by fighting for the right to get married ?

[Gandalf]

The gay issue is a way to soften public perception. Most gays think it is just marriage. The agenda of the true deviants is a lower age of consent which must always be resisted. Age of consent is already too low.

And Bowie claimed he was gay but his life suggests it was nothing more than a phase. He changed and I would say he is model parent. But Elton John? Just wrong.

[Fenster]

Most of you cunts need a hiding. Fact.

[TitoFan]

Hmm... started out about Donald Trump and has regressed to yet another gay debate.

Funny thing... if you're gay you can scream from the rooftops how anyone who disagrees about anything gay-related is a vicious homophobic who must be destroyed. Yet if you're straight you have to keep your opinions to yourself, lest you be labeled homophobic, and have a hit put out on you by the Gay Mafia.

Seriously though... are we all that far from having the zoophilia movement demanding equal rights and marching down Main Street?

My opinions in a nutshell: Gays can do whatever they want, including getting married in front of a judge so as to make their union legal. However, churches should not be forced to accept homosexuality nor conduct gay marriages. Gays should not be discriminated against, except maybe in the child adoption issue. Please spare me the comparisons with alcoholic heterosexual couples who abuse their children and make horrible parents. Those shouldn't be parents either.

Now that I've stated my opinions, excuse me while I go shutter my windows and dig a crocodile-filled moat around my house.

[Beanz]

The gay issue is a way to soften public perception. Most gays think it is just marriage. The agenda of the true deviants is a lower age of consent which must always be resisted. Age of consent is already too low.

And Bowie claimed he was gay but his life suggests it was nothing more than a phase. He changed and I would say he is model parent. But Elton John? Just wrong.

Too low for gay people or hetero or both ? What should the age be ? Universal or country by country ?

If somebody is a true deviant then labels like Gay or straight become irrelevant. A child can not give consent, neither can an animal. That is why consenting adults have sexual relationships or encounters and people who touch up kids or shag animals are seen as abhorrent. It's not really very difficult to differentiate.

None of it has a huge amount to do with Donald Trump.

[walrus]

John Lennon went through a gay phase as well. When Yoko kicked him out he stayed with Elton John for a spell. He also allegedly had a trust with Brian Epstein. I must be behind the time, I just found out Ian Mckllelen the great actor is gay, bully to him but it did surprise me.