What's up with Keith "One Time" Thurman?

[Silkeyjoe]

He beat Guerrero which was a step in the right direction and now he's fighting Calazo which makes no sense to me. Let him fight Berto atleast. Maybe after Calazo he gets Porter.

Id have Collazo ahead of Berto at this stage

[Fenster]

This is Thurman headlining in his hometown so they're not going to get him beat. Compared with the guy Al fed Wilder for his homecoming party Collazo is a killer.

To be fair to Thurman - he's only 26, if you're fighting three or four times a year, guys like Collazo are fair.

[Ron Swanson]

I don't get the idea that weak opposition is okay if you fight many weak opponents but bad if you only fight a few weak opponents. But I think everyone needs to step the fuck up. I don't get the way European countries accept mediocrity but it's whatever.

I just watched an interview with Thurman on ESPN and was again reminded what a dueche Thurman is. Talking about himself in the third person again, talking like he has done things again, the dude is entitled. He's so damn arrogant talking like he thinks he's smart not realizing he is not eloquent, he does not have the grasp of the language he thinks he does. And most importantly he has not accomplished what he thinks he has. His cv is weak, very weak. He needs to step up if he is going to talk like a dueche he needs to back it up. I hope he does because boxing needs young stars but with his sloppy technique and dependence on his athleticism I think he gets taken out by Brook, Spence and possibly Crawford(in a few years) if crawford can handle the weight.

[Fenster]

I don't get the idea that weak opposition is okay if you fight many weak opponents but bad if you only fight a few weak opponents. But I think everyone needs to step the fuck up. I don't get the way European countries accept mediocrity but it's whatever.

I just watched an interview with Thurman on ESPN and was again reminded what a dueche Thurman is. Talking about himself in the third person again, talking like he has done things again, the dude is entitled. He's so damn arrogant talking like he thinks he's smart not realizing he is not eloquent, he does not have the grasp of the language he thinks he does. And most importantly he has not accomplished what he thinks he has. His cv is weak, very weak. He needs to step up if he is going to talk like a dueche he needs to back it up. I hope he does because boxing needs young stars but with his sloppy technique and dependence on his athleticism I think he gets taken out by Brook, Spence and possibly Crawford(in a few years) if crawford can handle the weight.

Don't mean to be patronising but when you realise that boxing is a business you'll understand it a bit more.

[Master]

I don't get the idea that weak opposition is okay if you fight many weak opponents but bad if you only fight a few weak opponents. But I think everyone needs to step the fuck up. I don't get the way European countries accept mediocrity but it's whatever.

I just watched an interview with Thurman on ESPN and was again reminded what a dueche Thurman is. Talking about himself in the third person again, talking like he has done things again, the dude is entitled. He's so damn arrogant talking like he thinks he's smart not realizing he is not eloquent, he does not have the grasp of the language he thinks he does. And most importantly he has not accomplished what he thinks he has. His cv is weak, very weak. He needs to step up if he is going to talk like a dueche he needs to back it up. I hope he does because boxing needs young stars but with his sloppy technique and dependence on his athleticism I think he gets taken out by Brook, Spence and possibly Crawford(in a few years) if crawford can handle the weight.

Don't mean to be patronising but when you realise that boxing is a business you'll understand it a bit more.

It is more than just a business it is a livelihood.

[Fenster]

I don't get the idea that weak opposition is okay if you fight many weak opponents but bad if you only fight a few weak opponents. But I think everyone needs to step the fuck up. I don't get the way European countries accept mediocrity but it's whatever.

I just watched an interview with Thurman on ESPN and was again reminded what a dueche Thurman is. Talking about himself in the third person again, talking like he has done things again, the dude is entitled. He's so damn arrogant talking like he thinks he's smart not realizing he is not eloquent, he does not have the grasp of the language he thinks he does. And most importantly he has not accomplished what he thinks he has. His cv is weak, very weak. He needs to step up if he is going to talk like a dueche he needs to back it up. I hope he does because boxing needs young stars but with his sloppy technique and dependence on his athleticism I think he gets taken out by Brook, Spence and possibly Crawford(in a few years) if crawford can handle the weight.

Don't mean to be patronising but when you realise that boxing is a business you'll understand it a bit more.

It is more than just a business it is a livelihood.

They'd all be skint if it was left to you.

[Master]

I don't get the idea that weak opposition is okay if you fight many weak opponents but bad if you only fight a few weak opponents. But I think everyone needs to step the fuck up. I don't get the way European countries accept mediocrity but it's whatever.

I just watched an interview with Thurman on ESPN and was again reminded what a dueche Thurman is. Talking about himself in the third person again, talking like he has done things again, the dude is entitled. He's so damn arrogant talking like he thinks he's smart not realizing he is not eloquent, he does not have the grasp of the language he thinks he does. And most importantly he has not accomplished what he thinks he has. His cv is weak, very weak. He needs to step up if he is going to talk like a dueche he needs to back it up. I hope he does because boxing needs young stars but with his sloppy technique and dependence on his athleticism I think he gets taken out by Brook, Spence and possibly Crawford(in a few years) if crawford can handle the weight.

Don't mean to be patronising but when you realise that boxing is a business you'll understand it a bit more.

It is more than just a business it is a livelihood.

They'd all be skint if it was left to you.

I would empower them to take control of their career and educate themselves on maximising their earning potential.

[Fenster]

I don't get the idea that weak opposition is okay if you fight many weak opponents but bad if you only fight a few weak opponents. But I think everyone needs to step the fuck up. I don't get the way European countries accept mediocrity but it's whatever.

I just watched an interview with Thurman on ESPN and was again reminded what a dueche Thurman is. Talking about himself in the third person again, talking like he has done things again, the dude is entitled. He's so damn arrogant talking like he thinks he's smart not realizing he is not eloquent, he does not have the grasp of the language he thinks he does. And most importantly he has not accomplished what he thinks he has. His cv is weak, very weak. He needs to step up if he is going to talk like a dueche he needs to back it up. I hope he does because boxing needs young stars but with his sloppy technique and dependence on his athleticism I think he gets taken out by Brook, Spence and possibly Crawford(in a few years) if crawford can handle the weight.

Don't mean to be patronising but when you realise that boxing is a business you'll understand it a bit more.

It is more than just a business it is a livelihood.

They'd all be skint if it was left to you.

I would empower them to take control of their career and educate themselves on maximising their earning potential.

Strive to become a PPV fighter? Good advice.

[Ron Swanson]

I don't get the idea that weak opposition is okay if you fight many weak opponents but bad if you only fight a few weak opponents. But I think everyone needs to step the fuck up. I don't get the way European countries accept mediocrity but it's whatever.

I just watched an interview with Thurman on ESPN and was again reminded what a dueche Thurman is. Talking about himself in the third person again, talking like he has done things again, the dude is entitled. He's so damn arrogant talking like he thinks he's smart not realizing he is not eloquent, he does not have the grasp of the language he thinks he does. And most importantly he has not accomplished what he thinks he has. His cv is weak, very weak. He needs to step up if he is going to talk like a dueche he needs to back it up. I hope he does because boxing needs young stars but with his sloppy technique and dependence on his athleticism I think he gets taken out by Brook, Spence and possibly Crawford(in a few years) if crawford can handle the weight.

Don't mean to be patronising but when you realise that boxing is a business you'll understand it a bit more.

I don't think you understand those words. Of course boxing is a business, but fans don't have to fall in line to be milked. If fans stop accepting being bent over they will stop being bent over so much. Tonight Thurman is fighting a man in a fight he says "I have nothing to gain" and he gets away with it because fans accept this. Oh it's business, it's business. In business if you have a shitty product it doesn't sell. But boxing fans say "well sure this is shit but I'll drink it because...." i put .... Because the excuses for these guys taking shitty fights are endless. People even argue that shitty fights like Brook/Rios aren't shitty fights even though absolutely nobody would pick Rios. Collazos momma isn't betting on Collazo, it's a shitty fight. This new generation needs to do what previous generations did and earn something. Keith Thurman is a rich man, and he is a rich man off doing nothing. Dude needs to do something.

[Fenster]

I don't think you understand those words. Of course boxing is a business, but fans don't have to fall in line to be milked. If fans stop accepting being bent over they will stop being bent over so much. Tonight Thurman is fighting a man in a fight he says "I have nothing to gain" and he gets away with it because fans accept this. Oh it's business, it's business. In business if you have a shitty product it doesn't sell. But boxing fans say "well sure this is shit but I'll drink it because...." i put .... Because the excuses for these guys taking shitty fights are endless. People even argue that shitty fights like Brook/Rios aren't shitty fights even though absolutely nobody would pick Rios. Collazos momma isn't betting on Collazo, it's a shitty fight. This new generation needs to do what previous generations did and earn something. Keith Thurman is a rich man, and he is a rich man off doing nothing. Dude needs to do something.

Doesn't this make you a hypocrite?

First -- you moan and groan because you don't like a particular fight. Second -- you're denigrating fans, many of whom wont share your opinion about what makes a good fight, for "accepting" what you believe is crap, yet here you are tuning in to watch.

[Fenster]

Thurman a little overrated, Collazo a little underrated. Par for the course in this game.

[Silkeyjoe]

Thurman a little overrated, Collazo a little underrated. Par for the course in this game.

Most fans thoughts - Khan beat Collazo therefore Collazo is shit.

[Ron Swanson]

I don't think you understand those words. Of course boxing is a business, but fans don't have to fall in line to be milked. If fans stop accepting being bent over they will stop being bent over so much. Tonight Thurman is fighting a man in a fight he says "I have nothing to gain" and he gets away with it because fans accept this. Oh it's business, it's business. In business if you have a shitty product it doesn't sell. But boxing fans say "well sure this is shit but I'll drink it because...." i put .... Because the excuses for these guys taking shitty fights are endless. People even argue that shitty fights like Brook/Rios aren't shitty fights even though absolutely nobody would pick Rios. Collazos momma isn't betting on Collazo, it's a shitty fight. This new generation needs to do what previous generations did and earn something. Keith Thurman is a rich man, and he is a rich man off doing nothing. Dude needs to do something.

Doesn't this make you a hypocrite?

First -- you moan and groan because you don't like a particular fight. Second -- you're denigrating fans, many of whom wont share your opinion about what makes a good fight, for "accepting" what you believe is crap, yet here you are tuning in to watch.

Well yeah. I'm a boxing fan. Of course I'm a hypocrite. I watch every fight i have the time to watch. Doesn't mean i have to defend them though. The sport is getting so fights that aren't damn near decided before the men get in the ring are more and more rare. More than quality i want to see competition. I admit with every possible bit of humility that i was wrong about the action of this fight in one round.

[Silkeyjoe]

I don't think you understand those words. Of course boxing is a business, but fans don't have to fall in line to be milked. If fans stop accepting being bent over they will stop being bent over so much. Tonight Thurman is fighting a man in a fight he says "I have nothing to gain" and he gets away with it because fans accept this. Oh it's business, it's business. In business if you have a shitty product it doesn't sell. But boxing fans say "well sure this is shit but I'll drink it because...." i put .... Because the excuses for these guys taking shitty fights are endless. People even argue that shitty fights like Brook/Rios aren't shitty fights even though absolutely nobody would pick Rios. Collazos momma isn't betting on Collazo, it's a shitty fight. This new generation needs to do what previous generations did and earn something. Keith Thurman is a rich man, and he is a rich man off doing nothing. Dude needs to do something.

Doesn't this make you a hypocrite?

First -- you moan and groan because you don't like a particular fight. Second -- you're denigrating fans, many of whom wont share your opinion about what makes a good fight, for "accepting" what you believe is crap, yet here you are tuning in to watch.

Well yeah. I'm a boxing fan. Of course I'm a hypocrite. I watch every fight i have the time to watch. Doesn't mean i have to defend them though. The sport is getting so fights that aren't damn near decided before the men get in the ring are more and more rare. More than quality i want to see competition. I admit with every possible bit of humility that i was wrong about the action of this fight in one round.

Once Haymon gets a monopoly things will get better. Need a UFC style organisation. THe problem in boxing is you have a couple of losses and no one will pay to see you anymore. All this having to "earn" the right to fight someone is just crap. The best should just be fighting the best. Could you imagine this in any other sport where competitors can blatantly duck other fighters?

[Beanflicker]

I don't get the idea that weak opposition is okay if you fight many weak opponents but bad if you only fight a few weak opponents.

I agree with your sentiment but I really don't view Collazo as "weak opposition". He's a tricky veteran southpaw who has a long history of being a spoiler, making big name guys look bad (and often getting robbed on the scorecards). He's also durable as fuck. This is not the ideal guy you want your young KO artist in with, because Thurman is going to have to think, conserve himself and come up with dynamic offence.

Would I rather see Thurman in with guys like Khan, Porter, Brook, or even Mayweather and Pac? Of course. But if those fights can't be made, I think savvy veterans like Collazo and Guerrero are respectable "stay busy" fights. This isn't like Deontay Wilder, who fights guys like Jason Gavern and Eric Molina in the mean time: guys with no real world stage experience and early KO's on their records who were selected to go down quick and make Deontay look like a million bucks. Collazo isn't the guy you choose to fight to make you look good or to get a quick KO. He's a real opponent with skill who's coming to win.