Ward wants GGG then Kovalev

[IamInuit]

There is more then one narrow definition of "douche bag". Its not just a vagina cleaner.

Ward said after the games that he was going to be bigger then Robinson.
He beats a few names at the S6 and then calls it a day.
He had home field through all of those fights save Froch and has fought nowhere else since.
Again he sits out on a bogus claim rather then challenge himself which in hindsight appears to be the intent. Waiting things out
He talks and talks and talks and does nothing. In fact he's done nothing in 5 years
He plays the Ozzie and Harriot routine but the devil is in the details.
He still acts as if he's the reincarnation of Ray.

Douche bag

[Spicoli]

I must have missed something Since when do you have to make a Federal case to call someone a douche and have an opinion on a guys personality. Saying a guy is a bum, can't fight all that much or fighter A beats fighter B I get but this is silly shat. I mean the guy calls himself Son of god ffs That alone highlights a slight case of douchery if you ask me. He's a helluva boxer, but he acts a smug diva at times. Who cares.

[Fenster]

Meltdown because someone thinks Ward is a cunt? Hypocrites. Hypocrites. Hypocrites.

[Freedom]

Wards team has been hinting at it but now they are saying it directly to Fat Dan Rafael. He wants GGG in the fall and then to move to 175 for Kovalev. They say they are willing to do 50/50 and cut weight for GGG. And they will not ask for a catchweight against Krusher. Guess we will see who is really looking for the hard fights now.

Ward will want it to be in California, so he can use a crooked referee who permits him to headbutt and clamp his opponents' arms.

Without dirty tactics, Ward is a mediocre boxer.

I don't believe he'll move down in weight to fight GGG. And he's too selfish to ever agree to 50-50.

[Rantcatrat]

Ward called the bluff and then it was "clean out 160" when Ward disappeared suddenly GGG was willing to go to 168 AGAIN(don't forget he was eyeing Steiglitz in 2011-12). Ward returns and GGG can't go to 168 AGAIN. GGG says Ward needs to cut 8lbs from his last fight. Ward says okay, let's do it. And watch, if it doesn't happen people will blame Ward because they don't like him. It would be funny if it wasn't so sad.

On top of that Ward also makes it known he won't weaken the killer above him when he moves up for him next. I don't even like Ward but he's the guy that is going out of his way to make the hard fights. That should be respected by all fans. Don't watch, his style isn't for everyone but respect a man that is genuinely trying for the guys that are rumored to be feared.

Can you post a link to the article where he agreed to the catchweight at 164 and 50/50? It would be huge if that were the case, although I'll still be critical of GGG for asking for a catchweight at all, and I hope the weight won't affect Ward's performance.

Also, let's not forget that Ward fought a career light heavyweight, Chad Dawson, at 168. He's not the Saint he makes himself out to be.

And why hasn't he called out James DeGale or Andre Dirrell? They are in his division and good fighters.

[powerpuncher]

I hate all fighters.

[Silkeyjoe]

Id say Ward will struggled dropping to 160 then jumping to 175 for the fight after that. Never gonna happen

[Ron Swanson]

Ward called the bluff and then it was "clean out 160" when Ward disappeared suddenly GGG was willing to go to 168 AGAIN(don't forget he was eyeing Steiglitz in 2011-12). Ward returns and GGG can't go to 168 AGAIN. GGG says Ward needs to cut 8lbs from his last fight. Ward says okay, let's do it. And watch, if it doesn't happen people will blame Ward because they don't like him. It would be funny if it wasn't so sad.

On top of that Ward also makes it known he won't weaken the killer above him when he moves up for him next. I don't even like Ward but he's the guy that is going out of his way to make the hard fights. That should be respected by all fans. Don't watch, his style isn't for everyone but respect a man that is genuinely trying for the guys that are rumored to be feared.

Can you post a link to the article where he agreed to the catchweight at 164 and 50/50? It would be huge if that were the case, although I'll still be critical of GGG for asking for a catchweight at all, and I hope the weight won't affect Ward's performance.

Also, let's not forget that Ward fought a career light heavyweight, Chad Dawson, at 168. He's not the Saint he makes himself out to be.

And why hasn't he called out James DeGale or Andre Dirrell? They are in his division and good fighters.

My links never work but I can tell you where to find it. Fat Dans Chat last week, fat Dan says that Wards camp are willing to do 50/50 and the catchweight and here we have silence from the GGG camp. And you notice fans are saying they don't believe Ward instead of questioning the guy who's story is always changing. GGGs camp always talks but now their silence speaks volumes.

If GGGs people said "if Ward truly will meet our demands we will have a fight" and the fight didn't happen there would be reason to question Ward. But Wards side said they will meet all demands and there is silence. Not silence from Wards side he was on tv again saying "if GGG wants the fight, come from behind the promoter, come from behind the trainer, tell them to call HBO. I have already done this(call HBO)" <can be found at fightnews.com

I genuinely want GGG to be the beast he could be but I refuse to turn a blind eye to all the changing stories. His demands have been met verbally(I agree a contract is another matter and all that has any real weight) so they should be writing something up or responding. If they simply don't want the fight they shouldn't have listed demands, that suggests you are interested. And that is my problem here, if you aren't interested that's fine but don't act like you are. Don't mislead the public just because they are willing to believe each ever changing story.

[TitoFan]

I am not at all angry.

Bullsh*t. You look like you were born angry, to me.

I challenge you to find ONE SINGLE EXAMPLE of me sucking up.

Are you serious??
Would you like those in alphabetical? Or chronological order?

Andre Ward is a douche. There said it again.

LOL.... you forgot the "nyah-nyah-nah-nyah-nah" part, while thumbing your nose and sticking out your tongue.

and when you actually get down off your high horse and read the thread you will see I have explained fully my reasons for saying so.

Bullsh*t. And while it's correct that you don't have to explain while you say he's a douche.... we all know the real reasons you call him a douche are:

1. 'Cause all your little friends say so.
2. 'Cause he has a few European scalps on his belt and he won't make the trip across the pond to do it again.

You do realize that pretending that Margarito or Chavez Jr or anyone else is somehow fair game for your never ending bitching, and that supposed role model family men like Ward are off bounds is truly ridiculous, do you not ?

Nobody said Ward is off bounds, squirt. It's just that for someone as "eloquent" as you... one would expect there to be some sort of reason other than those provided above... is all.

so your 5 year grudge

Has it been that long?

Meh... I don't it's more than a couple or years since we had our own dirty little war. But just because we finally accomplished a ceasefire doesn't mean I didn't come away with the impression that you are among the most underhanded, sneaky, conniving, two-faced, little brown-noser I've ever had the pleasure of interacting with in some fashion.


Hmmm.... I wonder if Fenster will "like" this post.




Cunts...

[beenKOed]

I must have missed something Since when do you have to make a Federal case to call someone a douche and have an opinion on a guys personality. Saying a guy is a bum, can't fight all that much or fighter A beats fighter B I get but this is silly shat. I mean the guy calls himself Son of god ffs That alone highlights a slight case of douchery if you ask me. He's a helluva boxer, but he acts a smug diva at times. Who cares.

I'm not getting evolved in this argument except on this one point.
SOG on Wards boxing clothes means he is a Christian. It does not mean anything else. Son of God as in God's children or a member of God's flock.

[Beanz]

HA! When I first glanced down and read

Bullsh*t. You look like you were born angry, to me.



I actually laughed out loud because I thought it was somebody else posting, parodying just how ridiculously over the top your response has been. Then I noticed that it was actually you being serious, and only the first in a long line of douchey douchebag like doucheisms. Lets try and keep it off the boxing boards sweety.

[TitoFan]

HA! When I first glanced down and read

Bullsh*t. You look like you were born angry, to me.



I actually laughed out loud because I thought it was somebody else posting, parodying just how ridiculously over the top your response has been. Then I noticed that it was actually you being serious, and only the first in a long line of douchey douchebag like doucheisms. Lets try and keep it off the boxing boards sweety.

Greenbeanz........................ are you flirting with me?

[Rantcatrat]

Ward called the bluff and then it was "clean out 160" when Ward disappeared suddenly GGG was willing to go to 168 AGAIN(don't forget he was eyeing Steiglitz in 2011-12). Ward returns and GGG can't go to 168 AGAIN. GGG says Ward needs to cut 8lbs from his last fight. Ward says okay, let's do it. And watch, if it doesn't happen people will blame Ward because they don't like him. It would be funny if it wasn't so sad.

On top of that Ward also makes it known he won't weaken the killer above him when he moves up for him next. I don't even like Ward but he's the guy that is going out of his way to make the hard fights. That should be respected by all fans. Don't watch, his style isn't for everyone but respect a man that is genuinely trying for the guys that are rumored to be feared.

Can you post a link to the article where he agreed to the catchweight at 164 and 50/50? It would be huge if that were the case, although I'll still be critical of GGG for asking for a catchweight at all, and I hope the weight won't affect Ward's performance.

Also, let's not forget that Ward fought a career light heavyweight, Chad Dawson, at 168. He's not the Saint he makes himself out to be.

And why hasn't he called out James DeGale or Andre Dirrell? They are in his division and good fighters.

My links never work but I can tell you where to find it. Fat Dans Chat last week, fat Dan says that Wards camp are willing to do 50/50 and the catchweight and here we have silence from the GGG camp. And you notice fans are saying they don't believe Ward instead of questioning the guy who's story is always changing. GGGs camp always talks but now their silence speaks volumes.

If GGGs people said "if Ward truly will meet our demands we will have a fight" and the fight didn't happen there would be reason to question Ward. But Wards side said they will meet all demands and there is silence. Not silence from Wards side he was on tv again saying "if GGG wants the fight, come from behind the promoter, come from behind the trainer, tell them to call HBO. I have already done this(call HBO)" <can be found at fightnews.com

I genuinely want GGG to be the beast he could be but I refuse to turn a blind eye to all the changing stories. His demands have been met verbally(I agree a contract is another matter and all that has any real weight) so they should be writing something up or responding. If they simply don't want the fight they shouldn't have listed demands, that suggests you are interested. And that is my problem here, if you aren't interested that's fine but don't act like you are. Don't mislead the public just because they are willing to believe each ever changing story.

In fairness, GGG's team has made it very clear that their priority is to unify titles at middleweight. They want David Lemiuex.

I also read that they gave Froch the same 164 catch weight that they gave Ward.

I don't put much credence into what Dan Rafael publishes these days. I lost interest in him a while ago. Honestly, the reason I asked you for a link is that I haven't read on any notable website, like espn.com or boxingscene, a statement from Ward that he is willing to do 164 and 50/50. I would expect him to be more public about calling GGG's team on their catch weight bluff were that the case than merely Dan Rafael's weekly chat. By contrast, I've seen public discussion from Ward's side about facing Kovalev at 175 next year.

[Rantcatrat]

I ferreted out the quotes from Dan Rafael's chat, and they aren't as promising as the OP indicated:

Tony (NYC) [via mobile]

The Ward camp telling you they want GGG this fall is HUGE!! Can we expect a story soon? Will you get a reaction from Loefler?
Dan Rafael, King Fight Freak (12:44 PM)




He's been saying that. Their issue, besides money and split, is weight.

Chinoflaco oakland [via mobile]



Better fights Ward kovalev or ward ggg
Dan Rafael, King Fight Freak (12:31 PM)




I'd be thrilled with either. The Ward camp told me today their preference is to make GGG for this fall and then go after Kovalev, which makes sense. Ward isn't going to go to light heavyweight and then come back down to face GGG. So face GGG now at whatever weight they can agree on and then, if all goes well, move to 175. Ward can go from an afterthought having fought one nothing fight in 19 months to a huge deal quickly if he were to face GGG and Kovalev in a row and win both.


So, Ward didn't at all accept Loefler's challenge of 50/50 and 164. It's basically more of the same jawing from both sides. No progress has been made at least not publicly.

[TitoFan]

Too much talking and not enough fighting, IMO. When you consider Ward's level of activity throughout his career..... averaging 4 fights a year between 2005 and 2009.... and now having fought 3 fights in the last 4 years.... it doesn't really matter to me what promotional, negotiations or otherwise factors there might be involved. A fighter who quits fighting with any regularity will quickly fade from view, and should be dropped accordingly in the standings.

The heavyweights are another bunch that do too much talking and not enough fighting.