floyd vs berto.......meh

[J_Undisputed]

I'm not one for comparisons with other fighters or fight counts, records etc. And i'm not targeting any posts in this thread, mind you but i think a lot less people would have an issue with berto as an opponent if mayweather stepped up and annihilated pacquiao in the last fight in accordance with the amount of garbage he talked. Truth be told, this dislike is a microcosm of the past few years of his career and and a look at his legacy for decades to come. The stat fans/historians will always be able to tout punchstat numbers and etc to speak about his accuracy and how little he was hit cleanly, but many fans will just remember how up till the very end, he talked more about beating people and slapping exercise dummies on twitter and then crippled his opponents with prefight demands on weights, gloves, location (justifiable-- his home town fights that pay more than anywhere else in the US), and other demands and then outpointed opponents with reflex pot shots and counters from behind his shoulder rather than actually asserting himself in the ring and using his speed, footwork, power to walk them down and take advantage of their mistakes...

Even now when searching for a point of enjoyable fights, people are still having to dig all the way back to corrales, gatti, maybe judah or mosely... He's a fighter claiming on camera, the mic, the internet that he can do anything he wants with his opponents and thats why he deserves to get paid what he demands. In the ring he's not reflective of a fighter that believes that. Instead, he does just enough to win a decision in his home town, with his prefight demands met before talking more harsh words to set up another timid performance. The lamenting of these fights is not a condemnation of floyd as much as it is fight fans tired of listening to him talk with conviction and then having to witness him fight to squeak by instead of making a statement because fighting that way would put his "0" at risk.

[IamInuit]

I'm not one for comparisons with other fighters or fight counts, records etc. And i'm not targeting any posts in this thread, mind you but i think a lot less people would have an issue with berto as an opponent if mayweather stepped up and annihilated pacquiao in the last fight in accordance with the amount of garbage he talked. Truth be told, this dislike is a microcosm of the past few years of his career and and a look at his legacy for decades to come. The stat fans/historians will always be able to tout punchstat numbers and etc to speak about his accuracy and how little he was hit cleanly, but many fans will just remember how up till the very end, he talked more about beating people and slapping exercise dummies on twitter and then crippled his opponents with prefight demands on weights, gloves, location (justifiable-- his home town fights that pay more than anywhere else in the US), and other demands and then outpointed opponents with reflex pot shots and counters from behind his shoulder rather than actually asserting himself in the ring and using his speed, footwork, power to walk them down and take advantage of their mistakes...

Even now when searching for a point of enjoyable fights, people are still having to dig all the way back to corrales, gatti, maybe judah or mosely... He's a fighter claiming on camera, the mic, the internet that he can do anything he wants with his opponents and thats why he deserves to get paid what he demands. In the ring he's not reflective of a fighter that believes that. Instead, he does just enough to win a decision in his home town, with his prefight demands met before talking more harsh words to set up another timid performance. The lamenting of these fights is not a condemnation of floyd as much as it is fight fans tired of listening to him talk with conviction and then having to witness him fight to squeak by instead of making a statement because fighting that way would put his "0" at risk.

What you said is true. The thing is, Floyd was constructed. Both his father and his uncle tried and failed to develop a style their own that was based on George Benton. They had limited success. Gretzky dad had limited success as a hockey player but his kid was pushing a chair around the ice before he could walk. They shattered the 10,000 hour rule. So did Floyd. Statistics only prove there are other statistics. Coffee either tastes good or it doesn't.

Floyd is a product of his environment and its never really been about legacy for him. If it was he would have at least unified one of the divisions he fought in. His legacy is money.

My point for bringing up others is to put things into perspective not excuse Floyd for playing safe.
I also wish he fought the same way he did at 130/35 but things change.The fighters get bigger and lets not forget that the object is to hit and not get hit and the use of the ring or ring generalship gets confused these days with running. I swear to the big guy that half of today's fans would prefer phone booths and 3 rd knockout or bust fights.

I dont think Floyd really gives a shit whether or not it would be better for him to some that he have pugilistic dementia. And ftr that kind of brush used against him at times irregardless of the facts is broad and ever present like no other fighter that I have witnessed in my time. Much of it is deserving and much of it not.