floyd vs berto.......meh

[J_Undisputed]

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Floyds not about legacy or his warrior image; he's about money.

I think it's so fucking stupid whenever this shit gets brought up. Like it's black and white - you're either TOTALLY selfless and in it completely for the art, or you could give a fuck about the art and you're 100% about the money.

No boxer in the history of the sport that falls into one or the other. Everyone wants to be the best, everyone wants to be champion, and EVERYONE WANTS TO MAKE AS MUCH MONEY AS THE POSSIBLY CAN! We are talking about PRIZE FIGHTING. Anyone who thinks differently is living in a fantasy world.

You tell me: was Sugar Ray Robinson not "about the money" when he was showing up on fight night and demanding the promoters pay him more or he wasn't going to fight? Boxing fans shit talk Floyd out of one side of their mouth, and praise SRR out the other, and it just shows how clueless people are.

I'll say it again, you can hate the guy, you can say he's a prick, but you can't take away the in-ring skill (which is second to none) and you can't take away 19 years of doing nothing but winning and shutting up the haters. And you're telling me Floyd doesn't have a legacy in the sport? How delusional can people be?

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Ok, maybe a bit of a miscue. My comment about Inuit being right about floyd being about the money is not my reason for not watching just a credit to Inuit for what he said in response to my earlier comment. My response to the money issue, I'm sure other if not every fighters in it for the money. What i'm saying is if you don't have the passion for it 32 mill is all the passion you need. If you handed 32mill to SRR to put someone on their ass.... I believe in the least, it would look like he was trying to put that opponent down. Floyd is not a one trick pony, he has an arsenal above and beyond that of everyone he fights according to most fighters... if 5% is all he needs to beat some of these guys, then he's happy and most wont demand more of him. I do. If you use %5 and get a close decision or what ifs, then you deserve whatever flack comes your way.

I was a floyd fan. I even have an autographed glove from he first started out. Its true, you cant erase 19 years of winning. As for shutting up haters. Haters will always find something to beef about so i dont really believe you will shut them all up. If he knocks someone out in 1 round, they'll say they could have been gone in half that time. As his careers gone on, hes picked up more detractors. For many its the money persona, for others its mistakes he's made in his life. For me, he demands all the money, all of the credit and for what he's capable of. He's only done half the work. As I said earlier, that won't my a difference to the stats people or the historians (His legacy is there). But it does make a difference in how the people who know what you were capable of, remember you. The worst part is the surge is detractors is his own doing because of all the attention he's drawn to himself. Like I said if the showtime/cbs people are happy to pay him for his bottom 5%, more power to them and him but i reserve my right to rake him over the coals for being a halfA$$er because i know hes capable of more.

Its like klitchsko getting no credit, simply because he's in better shape that most of the heavyweight class then on fight to fight basis. If all he had to do was show up and spar with them. its enough to win the fight. But he wont get credit for holding or just being in good shape as he would for punishing his opponent.

[Beanflicker]

Floyd is not a one trick pony, he has an arsenal above and beyond that of everyone he fights according to most fighters... if 5% is all he needs to beat some of these guys, then he's happy and most wont demand more of him. I do. If you use %5 and get a close decision or what ifs, then you deserve whatever flack comes your way.

Do you really believe Floyd is beating guys like Manny Pacquaio using 5% of his potential? I mean come on dude.

Boxing is about hitting and not getting hit, and most importantly it's about winning fights. People have this expectation that Floyd should come out and fight like Arturo Gatti, even though he has the ability to beat a guy and take very little damage.

Nobody gives Willie Pep shit and says he should have been more aggressive and went for the KO more, and nobody accuses him of not putting in a good effort despite very rarely scoring a stoppage. Nobody shits on Ali (now that Bill Paxtom is gone, anyway) that he never KO'd so and so and just cruised to a victory.

It's just haters being haters. When haters want to hate on a guy, they bring up his losses and his pitfalls and say "ha ha". Floyd haters can't do that because he's never lost and 99% of his career has been in-ring brilliance. So they have to resort to saying things like "oh he fights like a coward" (while praising guys like Willie Pep) and "oh he's egotistical, he beats up women, he's greedy, ect" (all of which Sugar Ray Robinson and many other great champions were and did). All I'm saying is be consistent. If Floyd stinks because he loves money, then everyone stinks too. If you want to say he's garbage because he beat up his girlfriend or doesn't get a lot of KO's, then you're also saying a lot of great champions of the past are garbage as well.

[Sleepwalker]

Floyd is not a one trick pony, he has an arsenal above and beyond that of everyone he fights according to most fighters... if 5% is all he needs to beat some of these guys, then he's happy and most wont demand more of him. I do. If you use %5 and get a close decision or what ifs, then you deserve whatever flack comes your way.

Do you really believe Floyd is beating guys like Manny Pacquaio using 5% of his potential? I mean come on dude.

Boxing is about hitting and not getting hit, and most importantly it's about winning fights. People have this expectation that Floyd should come out and fight like Arturo Gatti, even though he has the ability to beat a guy and take very little damage.

Nobody gives Willie Pep shit and says he should have been more aggressive and went for the KO more, and nobody accuses him of not putting in a good effort despite very rarely scoring a stoppage. Nobody shits on Ali (now that Bill Paxtom is gone, anyway) that he never KO'd so and so and just cruised to a victory.

It's just haters being haters. When haters want to hate on a guy, they bring up his losses and his pitfalls and say "ha ha". Floyd haters can't do that because he's never lost and 99% of his career has been in-ring brilliance. So they have to resort to saying things like "oh he fights like a coward" (while praising guys like Willie Pep) and "oh he's egotistical, he beats up women, he's greedy, ect" (all of which Sugar Ray Robinson and many other great champions were and did). All I'm saying is be consistent. If Floyd stinks because he loves money, then everyone stinks too. If you want to say he's garbage because he beat up his girlfriend or doesn't get a lot of KO's, then you're also saying a lot of great champions of the past are garbage as well.

Like when Mosley landed that big shot on Floyd. People would rather knock Shane "If he stayed on Floyd he would have finished him", but neglect the fact that Floyd recovered from that shot quickly. Shane had no chance of ending that fight at that time, but people are gonna believe what they want to believe because of their bias....

[Kirkland Laing]

Berto must have naked pictures of Floyd and Haymon together.

[J_Undisputed]

Floyd is not a one trick pony, he has an arsenal above and beyond that of everyone he fights according to most fighters... if 5% is all he needs to beat some of these guys, then he's happy and most wont demand more of him. I do. If you use %5 and get a close decision or what ifs, then you deserve whatever flack comes your way.

Do you really believe Floyd is beating guys like Manny Pacquaio using 5% of his potential? I mean come on dude.

Boxing is about hitting and not getting hit, and most importantly it's about winning fights. People have this expectation that Floyd should come out and fight like Arturo Gatti, even though he has the ability to beat a guy and take very little damage.

Nobody gives Willie Pep shit and says he should have been more aggressive and went for the KO more, and nobody accuses him of not putting in a good effort despite very rarely scoring a stoppage. Nobody shits on Ali (now that Bill Paxtom is gone, anyway) that he never KO'd so and so and just cruised to a victory.

It's just haters being haters. When haters want to hate on a guy, they bring up his losses and his pitfalls and say "ha ha". Floyd haters can't do that because he's never lost and 99% of his career has been in-ring brilliance. So they have to resort to saying things like "oh he fights like a coward" (while praising guys like Willie Pep) and "oh he's egotistical, he beats up women, he's greedy, ect" (all of which Sugar Ray Robinson and many other great champions were and did). All I'm saying is be consistent. If Floyd stinks because he loves money, then everyone stinks too. If you want to say he's garbage because he beat up his girlfriend or doesn't get a lot of KO's, then you're also saying a lot of great champions of the past are garbage as well.

5% of course is an exaggeration; How about 45? 65% 70% or does even 80% make anyone feel better about the money they spend to Listen to/ watch this...
https://youtu.be/x8LuQItZaDs

and this...
https://youtu.be/v0LSsphSesY

and this...


and with all his speed, hard work, dedication, ring generalship accuracy and defense in the pocket... not be able to pick up counter punching opportunities that a much slower marquez feasted on for 4 fights. Or the overhand right that marquez laid the blueprint for... so he could do this....



https://youtu.be/jC9bTx0NcGE

He wasn't more capable than that? That was his 100% hard work, dedication, accuracy, speed, pedigree.. from a a man born in the boxing gym? Noone says he has to engage meet every fighter in the middle of the ring, or even spend the whole fight sacrificing him his pretty boy mug for counter punching opportunities. But after 4 round or even 6, you don't think he could have landed some combinations, some counter punching opportunities or went on the offensive for more than 10 seconds collectively, with the arsenal at his disposal? (and his 1000 dollar specially prepared meals) Especially after he catches pac coming in and freezes him and stands there staring at him? And now, he's going to wipe his butt with Berto, who's been beat by guerrero, ortiz, and pounded by soto karass... I could be alone in my perspective, but he's not doing enough for what hes capable of to be called the best ever.

[Beanflicker]

You say Floyd should have fought more like JMM against Pac... but in JMM's 4 fights with Pac, he absorbed a ton of damage, was knocked on his ass at least half a dozen times, had his nose shattered, face cut up... and most importantly, he went 1/4 against Pac (even though most of us can agree he deserved at least one or two of those decisions).

In the first 3 fights, Manny landed an average 160.3 punches per fight on Marquez.

Against Mayweather, Manny landed half of that - 81 punches in total.

And most importantly, Floyd won a wide, uncontroversial decision over Pac.

So you really think Floyd should have fought more like JMM? Yeah, it would have been more entertaining for the fans, but why make anything harder than it needs to be?

And again, why do you have to be a KO artist to be considered great? Floyd has a 54% KO ratio... not great, but SRR (if you just look at his wins) only has a 62% KO ratio, and he's considered TBE. So your logic is full of holes and inconsistencies, as is usually the case with Floyd haters.

[Master]

Do not compare Floyd with SRR, Mayweather is a boring ass, safety first boring flash shit of a boxer.

[ruthless rocco]

Do not compare Floyd with SRR, Mayweather is a boring ass, safety first boring flash shit of a boxer.

....but he's most certainly TBE!!!

[Gandalf]

It is a piss take fight and should be ignored.

[Beanflicker]

Do not compare Floyd with SRR, Mayweather is a boring ass, safety first boring flash shit of a boxer.

And Robinson was a brawler?

Robinson had a lot of great KOs that look great in a 4 minute highlight film, but if you go back and watch a lot of his full fights, he was largely a dancing safety-first guy.

I think a lot of people have an inflated view of guys like Ray Robinson and Ali, because they've only seen the big fights and the highlights. It's like listening to a band's Greatest Hits album. You have to go back and listen to the full discography to get a real grasp on the band. Both of those guys danced, ran, stalled, jabbed and CLINCHED their way to many a victory.

[Master]

Do not compare Floyd with SRR, Mayweather is a boring ass, safety first boring flash shit of a boxer.

And Robinson was a brawler?

Robinson had a lot of great KOs that look great in a 4 minute highlight film, but if you go back and watch a lot of his full fights, he was largely a dancing safety-first guy.

I think a lot of people have an inflated view of guys like Ray Robinson and Ali, because they've only seen the big fights and the highlights. It's like listening to a band's Greatest Hits album. You have to go back and listen to the full discography to get a real grasp on the band. Both of those guys danced, ran, stalled, jabbed and CLINCHED their way to many a victory.

Robinson could punch and entertain fans, Ali took challenges way past his prime, these guys will be remembered in boxing history Floyd will be quickly forgotten because of his forgettable performances.

[J_Undisputed]

You say Floyd should have fought more like JMM against Pac... but in JMM's 4 fights with Pac, he absorbed a ton of damage, was knocked on his ass at least half a dozen times, had his nose shattered, face cut up... and most importantly, he went 1/4 against Pac (even though most of us can agree he deserved at least one or two of those decisions).

In the first 3 fights, Manny landed an average 160.3 punches per fight on Marquez.

Against Mayweather, Manny landed half of that - 81 punches in total.

And most importantly, Floyd won a wide, uncontroversial decision over Pac.

So you really think Floyd should have fought more like JMM? Yeah, it would have been more entertaining for the fans, but why make anything harder than it needs to be?

And again, why do you have to be a KO artist to be considered great? Floyd has a 54% KO ratio... not great, but SRR (if you just look at his wins) only has a 62% KO ratio, and he's considered TBE. So your logic is full of holes and inconsistencies, as is usually the case with Floyd haters.

First, I never said he had to fight Marquez's fight. Second, I never said he needed to be a ko artist to be great. What I said was with his speed,ring generalship, experience, intelligence and all the other things that he claims makes him "the best ever" , he should have been able to take advantage of at least some of those opportunities and not paid the price. He could have, tied up, circled out or used his footwork to slip out after he did. Instead he chose to do all of that without even trying because he already had your money and then stood there cheering for himself in the closing seconds while he played keep away. Again, he's entitled to do that if the refs,the broadcasters, the sanctioning bodies and some of the fans believe it's a superb showcase of his talents and believe it's work 32 million. Other fans are entitled to their opinion too that it's a farce for someone who claims to be the best ever in a combatitive support to rarely choose to be combatitive... And they refuse too support or credit him for it.

[Beanflicker]

First, I never said he had to fight Marquez's fight. Second, I never said he needed to be a ko artist to be great. What I said was with his speed,ring generalship, experience, intelligence and all the other things that he claims makes him "the best ever" , he should have been able to take advantage of at least some of those opportunities and not paid the price. He could have, tied up, circled out or used his footwork to slip out after he did. Instead he chose to do all of that without even trying because he already had your money and then stood there cheering for himself in the closing seconds while he played keep away. Again, he's entitled to do that if the refs,the broadcasters, the sanctioning bodies and some of the fans believe it's a superb showcase of his talents and believe it's work 32 million. Other fans are entitled to their opinion too that it's a farce for someone who claims to be the best ever in a combatitive support to rarely choose to be combatitive... And they refuse too support or credit him for it.

What you're saying really doesn't make sense to me.

You're saying Floyd never tried against Pacquiao.

So Floyd beat Pacquiao without even trying? As good as Pac is? If that's true, how can he not be the greatest of all time?

And you're playing "armchair quarterback" and saying what Floyd Mayweather SHOULD have done in the ring. Come on man...

Boxing is about winning, hitting and not getting hit. Every great champion has subscribed to this philosophy.

I've seen people hail Pac as the new Henry Armstrong, I've seen them say Floyd is terrified of him, that Pac would destroy Floyd and that's why Floyd won't fight him.

Not only does Floyd beat him, but he makes EASY WORK out of him. He barely breaks a sweat. He took Pac's best straight left, got pushed against the ropes, got flurried on by Pac and looked him right in the eye, smiled and shook his head like "nope, you got nothing." And that's not skill? That's not greatness? Making easy work out of a fellow ATG is not impressive? That's just silly.

[C.J.Rock]

You say Floyd should have fought more like JMM against Pac... but in JMM's 4 fights with Pac, he absorbed a ton of damage, was knocked on his ass at least half a dozen times, had his nose shattered, face cut up... and most importantly, he went 1/4 against Pac (even though most of us can agree he deserved at least one or two of those decisions).

In the first 3 fights, Manny landed an average 160.3 punches per fight on Marquez.

Against Mayweather, Manny landed half of that - 81 punches in total.

And most importantly, Floyd won a wide, uncontroversial decision over Pac.

So you really think Floyd should have fought more like JMM? Yeah, it would have been more entertaining for the fans, but why make anything harder than it needs to be?

And again, why do you have to be a KO artist to be considered great? Floyd has a 54% KO ratio... not great, but SRR (if you just look at his wins) only has a 62% KO ratio, and he's considered TBE. So your logic is full of holes and inconsistencies, as is usually the case with Floyd haters.

The ONLY reasons why Pac landed less punches on Floyd was because Floyd ran like a bitch. He tasted Pacs power in round 1 & from then on ran , held like a limpet & pulled of Pac's right arm every chance he got. What happened to Floyd's bragging " I'm going to come out aggressive take the fight to Pacquaio & go for the KO" ?? ROFLMAO
Instead we got the same cowardly Mayweather we always see. Heck he'd got an injured opponent fighting in pain, because he'd been sabotaged by the NSAC. Yet STILL !!! the coward ran scared. There is no way in hell anyone can say Floydeasilly won that fight He didn't He struggled. In my opinion Moretti ought to be fired for that ludicrous 118-110 card. 115-113 at best for Mayweather

[ruthless rocco]

Patards (still) crying foul.

Hahaha!