Floyd's resume.

[mikeeod]

Canelo was a much larger man, but his lack of experience keeps this out of the great category for me.

Lack of experience? He had 43 fights, he was the champion of the division for over 2 years, had defended his title 6 or 7 times, had gone the full 12 round distance 5 times.

He had seen a ton of different styles from a lot of grizzled vets, had been in there with an ATG in Mosley (a washed up Mosley, yes, but Mosley) and just had a tough battle where he had to dig deep against a slick southpaw who had just beat the hell out of Miguel Cotto.


Canelo had a TON of experience for his age.

And right after the Floyd loss, Canelo rose back up to the #1 position in the division by beating Lara, a guy who was considered one of the best talents in boxing and a guy people accused Floyd of ducking.

A ton of experience FOR HIS AGE. Canelo struggled with both Trout and Lara due to their speed, boxing ability and slickness. In other words, he was made for Floyd stylistically. As for experience, there is a difference between fighting a lot of fights vs questionable opposition, and fighting at the world class level. Canelo is still pretty green. Compare him to Oba Carr during his prime years. Buddy McGirt during his prime years. If you are honest you admit that he was very young and limited and it showed in the ring vs Floyd. Again, keep it in perspective that I label this a very good win, just not a great one. No way can you compare Floyd's beat down of Chico, a truly great win, to his decision over a gun shy Canelo.

[Beanflicker]

A ton of experience FOR HIS AGE. Canelo struggled with both Trout and Lara due to their speed, boxing ability and slickness. In other words, he was made for Floyd stylistically. As for experience, there is a difference between fighting a lot of fights vs questionable opposition, and fighting at the world class level. Canelo is still pretty green. Compare him to Oba Carr during his prime years. Buddy McGirt during his prime years. If you are honest you admit that he was very young and limited and it showed in the ring vs Floyd. Again, keep it in perspective that I label this a very good win, just not a great one. No way can you compare Floyd's beat down of Chico, a truly great win, to his decision over a gun shy Canelo.

How much experience did he need before he went up against Floyd, though? He had championship level experience, like I said he went the 12 round distance 5 times, and was in there with some grizzled vets and an ATG in Shane Mosley. What more experience did he need?

When it comes to Floyd people say "oh all he did is fight old guys past their prime." In Canelo he beat a 23 year old guy in his physical prime who had a lot of experience and 25 plus pounds on Floyd on fight night, and that's not a great win?

If outboxing Canelo is so easy, how come Erislandy Lara couldn't? He's considered one of the greatest pure boxers in the sport, he's much bigger than Floyd, he's taller, he has a bigger reach, he has more power... yet he couldn't beat Canelo. Even if people think Lara deserved the nod, it was still a razor close fight. Floyd didn't edge Canelo, he dominated and embarrassed him.

[mikeeod]

A ton of experience FOR HIS AGE. Canelo struggled with both Trout and Lara due to their speed, boxing ability and slickness. In other words, he was made for Floyd stylistically. As for experience, there is a difference between fighting a lot of fights vs questionable opposition, and fighting at the world class level. Canelo is still pretty green. Compare him to Oba Carr during his prime years. Buddy McGirt during his prime years. If you are honest you admit that he was very young and limited and it showed in the ring vs Floyd. Again, keep it in perspective that I label this a very good win, just not a great one. No way can you compare Floyd's beat down of Chico, a truly great win, to his decision over a gun shy Canelo.

How much experience did he need before he went up against Floyd, though? He had championship level experience, like I said he went the 12 round distance 5 times, and was in there with some grizzled vets and an ATG in Shane Mosley. What more experience did he need?

When it comes to Floyd people say "oh all he did is fight old guys past their prime." In Canelo he beat a 23 year old guy in his physical prime who had a lot of experience and 25 plus pounds on Floyd on fight night, and that's not a great win?

If outboxing Canelo is so easy, how come Erislandy Lara couldn't? He's considered one of the greatest pure boxers in the sport, he's much bigger than Floyd, he's taller, he has a bigger reach, he has more power... yet he couldn't beat Canelo. Even if people think Lara deserved the nod, it was still a razor close fight. Floyd didn't edge Canelo, he dominated and embarrassed him.

Dot think it was, I say it's a very good win for Floyd. Was Canelos first big fight at that level and as I said, he was young and inexperienced at that level and it showed in the fight. Doesn't compare to where Chico, Hatton and Castillo were when Floyd fought them. Those guys were ready and at their Zenith, Canelo is still learning as rising. Also, I remember the Lara fight being extremely close and Canelo looking equally awkward and ineffective in that one, so I don't think that really makes ur point for u.

[Beanflicker]

Dot think it was, I say it's a very good win for Floyd. Was Canelos first big fight at that level and as I said, he was young and inexperienced at that level and it showed in the fight. Doesn't compare to where Chico, Hatton and Castillo were when Floyd fought them. Those guys were ready and at their Zenith, Canelo is still learning as rising. Also, I remember the Lara fight being extremely close and Canelo looking equally awkward and ineffective in that one, so I don't think that really makes ur point for u.

1. What shortcomings Canelo displayed in that fight would you attribute to inexperience as opposed to the skill-level difference, and at what point would Canelo be "experienced" enough to fight Mayweather (how many years, how many fights, who would he have to fight, ect)?

2. "Also, I remember the Lara fight being extremely close and Canelo looking equally awkward and ineffective in that one, so I don't think that really makes ur point for u."

Yeah, if you re-read my post you'll see I acknowledged it was razor close. My point was that the much larger master boxer Lara was unable to cleanly outbox Canelo as Floyd did, so it illustrates my point quite well.

[johnsebastianmiran]

I am not a Floyd fan but considering his strategies and the climb from division to division and the fact that he did his homework and the champions he fought at this particular time his resume is good. The only thing that ruins a fighter's resume and style is that he is not what everyone expects him to be. I do not feel as though he is an all time great. He has done great things and that is the difference. He is always in reasonable shape when he is not in training and his personality at least 89% of the time sucks rotten eggs which has nothing to do with his abilities and so far unless his spending habits outside the ring fucks him and his accomplishments are forgotten his resume has good names. Has he ever had to fight hard? Ask Castillo, ask Cotto and for a few good round ask Maidana just as a couple of examples no one has easy nights all the time but face it you only have so many good opponents. The reason I shy away from ATG is the definition has left the term long ago because when someone is great, he has no comparison. Competition is what this is about and new methods to an old sport brought by the next so called ATG. I am not going to beat around the bush. I was in a classroom with a motivator once and he said, "When you think you have arrived look over your shoulder." I purposely left out a few words at the end because you guys are intelligent and you analyze it all the time Loyd's resume has to be looked at closer to appreciate it and he is good but I am not a fan but his fights interest me and his style is definitely one to be studied or he can cure your insomnia.