Floyd's resume.

[La Cucaracha]

All the money in the world won't change the fact that he will never be TBE

A lot of people say that, but they never give any good reasons as to why that is.

Given Floyd's skill set, ring intelligence and resume, I've never read a good reason as to why he's not at least in the discussion.

People talk about this fight and that fight that could have happened, but the reality is there's no champ in history who fought every tough fight he could have. Ray Robinson never fought Murder's Row and the many tough black fighters that had no connections and couldn't get past the smokers.

I thought I gave some good reasons

Sure Floyd is an excellent fighter but he never really took a risk after leaving lightweight Martinez was the middleweight champ and said he would drop in weight, GGG even recently said he'd go to 154 for Floyd, you could also add Ward to that list

Armstrong started at 126 and won the middleweight championship, Kid Gavilan, Jose Napoles and Duran started below feather and challenged themselves at 160 or higher Mayweather doesn't have to go to 160 but those fights I mentioned were possible and Floyd was the superstar he is, so anything he said would have got done if he wanted those fights you can bet your a$$ they would have got made

[Beanflicker]

Sure Floyd is an excellent fighter but he never really took a risk after leaving lightweight

See how can I take someone seriously who says something like that.

Never took a risk? :roll eyes:

It's incredible how jaded people become as fans when people can look at guys Floyd fought in the last 10 years and say there was no risk involved. My lord.

[La Cucaracha]

Sure Floyd is an excellent fighter but he never really took a risk after leaving lightweight

See how can I take someone seriously who says something like that.

Never took a risk? :roll eyes:

It's incredible how jaded people become as fans when people can look at guys Floyd fought in the last 10 years and say there was no risk involved. My lord.

What fight would say he was at risk of losing after the Castillo fights Hatton? Maybe but we already saw what limitations he had against Collazo DLH or Mosley? Sure if you pay no attention to a past by date Cotto? Sure just disregard the KO loses to Margarito and Pac Alvarez? If you like. Trout already showed the blue print. Pac? You already know this was too late to matter

So what about Martinez who was 160 champ? Ward who was 168 champ or now GGG? All 3 said they would drop in weight for the opportunity Even Pacquiao in 2010 would have been closer to 50/50.

The thing is Floyd may have won all those fights but he never dared to take the challenge

Personally I think if Floyd fought GGG now instead of Berto he may be the underdog, against Martinez without a catch weight I think it might have been closer odds than the Ortiz or Gueerero fights, lets not even mention Ward; when those opportunities present themselves the greats step up

[p4pking]

How can a guy be faulted for being better than the other guys he can realistically fight? Nobody near his size has had any chance of being the favorite over him in so long, and that's his problem? I love seeing a good upset/comeback story as much as anyone, but usually when someone is truly expected to lose or even get destroyed, it's because they have shown form to suggest that's likely. I suppose if Floyd had gotten the shit beaten out of him and then retired for a couple of years before coming back to beat some of the guys he has it would have made his record better?

Wonder what these same people have to say about Ricardo Lopez? He must have really had no desire huh. Why didn't he just do some push ups and fight Erik Morales when he had the chance, that pussy.

[powerpuncher]

Another weird thing is that I consider the de LA hoya win his best win. Although he was past his best, he wasn't at all done and Floyd moved up in weight. I thought that de la hoya was going to win for sure. Maybe people did think that mayweather would win at the time but I don't remember it being so widly accepted that he would win as it is now. I'm thinking that maybe we are looking at it from the future rather than what we really thought at the time. I could be wrong though

[Master]

Another weird thing is that I consider the de LA hoya win his best win. Although he was past his best, he wasn't at all done and Floyd moved up in weight. I thought that de la hoya was going to win for sure. Maybe people did think that mayweather would win at the time but I don't remember it being so widly accepted that he would win as it is now. I'm thinking that maybe we are looking at it from the future rather than what we really thought at the time. I could be wrong though

Floyd beating Oscar was a good victory and the fight was close. We found out that was Oscar past his best and if it was the version that fought Vargas, Oscar would have won.

[IamInuit]

Another weird thing is that I consider the de LA hoya win his best win. Although he was past his best, he wasn't at all done and Floyd moved up in weight. I thought that de la hoya was going to win for sure. Maybe people did think that mayweather would win at the time but I don't remember it being so widly accepted that he would win as it is now. I'm thinking that maybe we are looking at it from the future rather than what we really thought at the time. I could be wrong though

Floyd beating Oscar was a good victory and the fight was close. We found out that was Oscar past his best and if it was the version that fought Vargas, Oscar would have won.

Odd that he stopped using his jab midway. I've watched the fight several times and cant really see Floyd taking it away. Its like he just stopped using it when he was controlling much of the fight with it.

I'm pretty sure Oscar had a rematch clause but Floyd retired and then when the clause ran out after 1 year he unretired. People can make up their own minds but thats an asterisk in/on the record. All the greats have them though.

[Fenster]

Worst thing Floyd ever did for hardcore/sensible fans is crown himself TBE. Ignoring the haters and flomos - all of a sudden a terrific record becomes a "yeah but" one.

When you consider things like Armstrong, Gavilan, Napoles and Duran started at a lighter weight than Floyd yet challenged for the middleweight title, then what's the big deal that Floyd won titles at several weights?