Quote Originally Posted by denilson200 View Post
Quote Originally Posted by frasd View Post
I understand Rocky's record as retiring undefeated and Mayweather most likely tying and big ado about it.
But is it the fact that they retired undefeated that is the big deal as it can't be the winning streak.

Chavez had to be 87-0 before losing
Duran was around 40
Monzon was like 80 or so.
Pep (not sure without ggogling but he was way up there.
Sure there are lots I am not thinking of.

I remember when Shane fought Mayweather he made a comment similar to 'yeah, I went 42-0 before my first loss too' That is not a direct quote, just from memory.

So is a fighter greater that retires with a winning streak of 49-0 or one like Chavez that had 80 straight and then lost? (Chavez just an example as I know he had some bums handed to him but who hasn't)

Just a thought on how important retiring without a loss is vs wins without a loss.

Keep in mind I am a fan of both the Rock and Mayweather (Please don't hate me) But looking back at past fighters how great is 49-0?
I've said it once and I'll say it again. The reason why Floyd Mayweather is hated is because he is a black man who is unbroken.

He is a black man who made millions and took the least amount of punishment. He is a black man who is not tied into the white power structure of boxing as he has Maywether Promotions. He has black managers, black trainers, black advisors...black everything.

You can talk about your Ray Robinsons, Henry Armstrong's, Joe Louis all day....but look how they ended up ? Broke. Skiint and on their own.

Even Ali was not financially secure when he retired. In fact most of Ali's money came from after he left the ring.

People talk about past fighters. But Mayweather beats Duran and Leonard. The only fighter that I think Mayweather would have had serious trouble with was Tommy Hearns, because of the height and jab.

Floyd has fought everyone. Name a fighter in his era who he has not fought ?
It is not a black thing, it is a thug thing. He worships material things like it is god, he beats up women in front of his children like a punk and he shows no remorse for it and believes he is the victim. He is a joke character.

How on earth can you say he would beat a prime Leonard at welterweight? That is not Floyds best weight and you think he can beat Leonard? You say Hearns could give him trouble but Leonard solved him and beat him. That is a mark of a great fighter. Leonard has career defining fights. Floyd fought Manny 5 years past his best. He is the best ever joker ever.