Fury ?

[ross]

That is not what odds mean. Learn about odds if you are going to talk about odds.

Odds are a reflection of the gambler, not what the oddsmakers think of the fight, but what they think of the money coming in on the fight.

Those odds for Tyson were made 4 months out from the fight before any money was being put down on it



Dear oh dear

[Primo Carnera]

That is not what odds mean. Learn about odds if you are going to talk about odds.

Odds are a reflection of the gambler, not what the oddsmakers think of the fight, but what they think of the money coming in on the fight.

Those odds for Tyson were made 4 months out from the fight before any money was being put down on it



Dear oh dear

Ross, listen to what Ron is saying you dopey fuckwit. Because more people over here gamble more money on Fury than do on Wlad, the bookies will lay that bet and shorten the odds accordingly. Odds are not a reflection of the chance he has.
e.g. In Vegas or wherever Tyson fought Douglas, nobody bet on Douglas , hence the odds being so long.
Over here mugs like you and half the pikeys in the UK put money on Fury thinking it gives him a better chance! The odds started low in anticipation of this.
Now run along and ask @Silkeyjoe will ya. There's a good lad! 😂😂

[ross]

That is not what odds mean. Learn about odds if you are going to talk about odds.

Odds are a reflection of the gambler, not what the oddsmakers think of the fight, but what they think of the money coming in on the fight.

Those odds for Tyson were made 4 months out from the fight before any money was being put down on it



Dear oh dear

Ross, listen to what Ron is saying you dopey fuckwit. Because more people over here gamble more money on Fury than do on Wlad, the bookies will lay that bet and shorten the odds accordingly. Odds are not a reflection of the chance he has.
e.g. In Vegas or wherever Tyson fought Douglas, nobody bet on Douglas , hence the odds being so long.
Over here mugs like you and half the pikeys in the UK put money on Fury thinking it gives him a better chance! The odds started low in anticipation of this.
Now run along and ask @Silkeyjoe will ya. There's a good lad! 😂😂

You lot are really getting upset about what you consider is already a foregone conclusion. I see the little likes here and there for the sarcastic comments, the sniping and swearing. Maybe its nerves because your all getting much closer to be proved very wrong. Some are uncharacteristically quiet as Tysons coronation gets closer and they can no longer post

[Fenster]

To be fair to ross - The odds compilers do set the price, if they fuck up they get hammered by a weight of money which means they have to cut the price (in reality, they wait for a trader to price up first, copy each other, nick all the top prices for themselves, then cut them regardless).

In this case Fury has been cut half a point from a best opening price of 4/1 to 7/2. Nobody has put the kitchen sink on him and you'll get 3/1 right up to fight night.

[ross]

To be fair to ross - The odds compilers do set the price, if they fuck up they get hammered by a weight of money which means they have to cut the price (in reality, they wait for a trader to price up first, copy each other, nick all the top prices for themselves, then cut them regardless).

In this case Fury has been cut half a point from a best opening price of 4/1 to 7/2. Nobody has put the kitchen sink on him and you'll get 3/1 right up to fight night.

I would bet that the prices will narrow on Fury at least by fight week. Probably when they show all the media stuff like the final press conference and the behind the ropes series.

[nuggetdotcom]

To be fair to ross - The odds compilers do set the price, if they fuck up they get hammered by a weight of money which means they have to cut the price (in reality, they wait for a trader to price up first, copy each other, nick all the top prices for themselves, then cut them regardless).

In this case Fury has been cut half a point from a best opening price of 4/1 to 7/2. Nobody has put the kitchen sink on him and you'll get 3/1 right up to fight night.

I would bet that the prices will narrow on Fury at least by fight week. Probably when they show all the media stuff like the final press conference and the behind the ropes series.

Ross, why don't you listen? Or just learn how bookmakers work? (ask Fenster, he supports enough of them). The odds reflect entirely the amount of money placed such that the book can be balanced. The amount of money placed can be influenced by media shite, but not exclusively. As an anti-Tyson backer I got 22's for Holyfield (twice) cant remember what for Lewis/Douglas/Williams, so well in profit on the other (less famous) Tysons illustrious career.

[Ron Swanson]

Do you understand odds yet Ross?

[ross]

Do you understand odds yet Ross?

Seems really like you dont yet. The first odds out are what reflect the chamces the odds compilers give each fighter.

They gave Tyson Fury the best chance of beating Wlad since David Haye.

Being condescending only works when your right

[Primo Carnera]

Do you understand odds yet Ross?

Seems really like you dont yet. The first odds out are what reflect the chamces the odds compilers give each fighter.

They gave Tyson Fury the best chance of beating Wlad since David Haye.


Being condescending only works when your right

"The first odds out are what reflect the chamces the odds compilers give each fighter."
You still don't get it do you? It's all about Money that they'll (bookies)win or lose. England are always second or third favourites at the start of every Football World
Cup, yet they're NEVER the team with the second or third best chance of winning it. Hmmmmm, tick tock, I can hear your brain working overtime on this one. 😂😂😂😂

[ross]

Even Fenster has agreed with me you silly billys

[Primo Carnera]

Even Fenster has agreed with me you silly billys

Ok, with all this knowledge you have on betting, you tell me what price you think Fury will be on fight night ?

[Silkeyjoe]

That is not what odds mean. Learn about odds if you are going to talk about odds.

Odds are a reflection of the gambler, not what the oddsmakers think of the fight, but what they think of the money coming in on the fight.

Those odds for Tyson were made 4 months out from the fight before any money was being put down on it



Dear oh dear

Ross, listen to what Ron is saying you dopey fuckwit. Because more people over here gamble more money on Fury than do on Wlad, the bookies will lay that bet and shorten the odds accordingly. Odds are not a reflection of the chance he has.
e.g. In Vegas or wherever Tyson fought Douglas, nobody bet on Douglas , hence the odds being so long.
Over here mugs like you and half the pikeys in the UK put money on Fury thinking it gives him a better chance! The odds started low in anticipation of this.
Now run along and ask @Silkeyjoe will ya. There's a good lad! 😂😂

Just since my names getting thrown up in the argument I might aswell put some input into the betting side of things.

1. Bookies put up prices that we think reflect the fight (taking some margin out of them for our profits).
2. Bookies do react to large amounts of money coming in, but in saying that there hasnt been much money traded on this fight yet. We cut to 3/1 because I though 4/1 was too big or at best fair, so wasnt keen on laying.
3. Rather then react to money (which may be the case in vegas and why their sports betting product is shite) bookies in England and Ireland react to "smart money". This is money from customers who are profiled as smart betters and have proven track records.

I do believe Fury has a better chance of winning the fight then Povetkin did.

[ross]

That is not what odds mean. Learn about odds if you are going to talk about odds.

Odds are a reflection of the gambler, not what the oddsmakers think of the fight, but what they think of the money coming in on the fight.

Those odds for Tyson were made 4 months out from the fight before any money was being put down on it



Dear oh dear

Ross, listen to what Ron is saying you dopey fuckwit. Because more people over here gamble more money on Fury than do on Wlad, the bookies will lay that bet and shorten the odds accordingly. Odds are not a reflection of the chance he has.
e.g. In Vegas or wherever Tyson fought Douglas, nobody bet on Douglas , hence the odds being so long.
Over here mugs like you and half the pikeys in the UK put money on Fury thinking it gives him a better chance! The odds started low in anticipation of this.
Now run along and ask @Silkeyjoe will ya. There's a good lad! 😂😂

Just since my names getting thrown up in the argument I might aswell put some input into the betting side of things.

1. Bookies put up prices that we think reflect the fight (taking some margin out of them for our profits).
2. Bookies do react to large amounts of money coming in, but in saying that there hasnt been much money traded on this fight yet. We cut to 3/1 because I though 4/1 was too big or at best fair, so wasnt keen on laying.
3. Rather then react to money (which may be the case in vegas and why their sports betting product is shite) bookies in England and Ireland react to "smart money". This is money from customers who are profiled as smart betters and have proven track records.

I do believe Fury has a better chance of winning the fight then Povetkin did.

Thank you!!

Primo and Ron suck on your lollipops you little nerds

[Primo Carnera]

That is not what odds mean. Learn about odds if you are going to talk about odds.

Odds are a reflection of the gambler, not what the oddsmakers think of the fight, but what they think of the money coming in on the fight.

Those odds for Tyson were made 4 months out from the fight before any money was being put down on it



Dear oh dear

Ross, listen to what Ron is saying you dopey fuckwit. Because more people over here gamble more money on Fury than do on Wlad, the bookies will lay that bet and shorten the odds accordingly. Odds are not a reflection of the chance he has.
e.g. In Vegas or wherever Tyson fought Douglas, nobody bet on Douglas , hence the odds being so long.
Over here mugs like you and half the pikeys in the UK put money on Fury thinking it gives him a better chance! The odds started low in anticipation of this.
Now run along and ask @Silkeyjoe will ya. There's a good lad! 😂😂

Just since my names getting thrown up in the argument I might aswell put some input into the betting side of things.

1. Bookies put up prices that we think reflect the fight (taking some margin out of them for our profits).
2. Bookies do react to large amounts of money coming in, but in saying that there hasnt been much money traded on this fight yet. We cut to 3/1 because I though 4/1 was too big or at best fair, so wasnt keen on laying.
3. Rather then react to money (which may be the case in vegas and why their sports betting product is shite) bookies in England and Ireland react to "smart money". This is money from customers who are profiled as smart betters and have proven track records.

I do believe Fury has a better chance of winning the fight then Povetkin did.

Hello @Silkeyjoe , thanks for the input , much appreciated. Could you possibly answer a couple of questions please.
1. in your opinion , on fight night, do you think the odds will have changed so much that Fury will be a 2/1 shot or less ?
2. Do you think that the press conferences will have much effect on the Price if Fury is perceived to have the Mental Edge?
ps. I beg to differ regarding Povetkin, but we shall see.

[Silkeyjoe]

I would expect Fury to shorten a bit before the start due to the patriot money but in all honesty its very hard to know. There isnt much interest in the fight from a betting POV yet but you would think once sky start hyping the fight everyone will punt on it.

Comparing this to the Haye v Klit fight where Haye opened over 2/1 and went off at 5/4 where there was huge volumes of money on Haye it doesnt look like we will see nearly as much money and as such not as big a move.

In these big fights it takes huge volumes of mug money to move the line as price confidence is high so early moves tend to be from smart business as opposed to just backing the popular selection. In general the patriot money comes the week of the fight.