Glaring flaws in great fighters.

[El Kabong]

Well after a time as middleweight champion Bernard Hopkins basically just did math in the ring, and would win the early rounds take a rest in the middle rounds then pour it on for the later rounds so it was just a matter of stealing rounds from him to keep him from resting midway through the fight....easier said than done though.

[ykdadamaja]

Ali tired too much and took long times off in rounds...

Foreman was a terrible counter-puncher...

Oscar DLH never won out tough fights... he didn't have the grit...

Shane Mosely never liked to get punched back... good counter-puncher, but when you hit him with combos, he backs off...

Tyson gave up on himself in the ring... more than once... Douglas, Holyfield he just gave up...

Chavez was a slow puncher... you can see his punches a mile off... he couldn't beat anyone with great head movement and reflexes, ala Sweet Pea Whitaker.

Cotto has little to NO head movement... that's why Pac beat him to a crisp...

Manny gets hit way too often... because he is always coming forward, throwing punches. Very rarely back fought and boxed on the back foot.

Sugar Ray, for as fast as he was, was always second in the exchanges. Watch closely his fight with Duran, both with Hearns and with Hagler, even though he won most of them, he was ALWAYS second in the exchanges. What he made up for it was with fast combinations, because he had natural talent.

Roy... kept his hands down way too often... tis why he got knocked out by Johnson and Tarver like he did.

[powerpuncher]

Ali tired too much and took long times off in rounds...

Foreman was a terrible counter-puncher...

Oscar DLH never won out tough fights... he didn't have the grit...

Shane Mosely never liked to get punched back... good counter-puncher, but when you hit him with combos, he backs off...

Tyson gave up on himself in the ring... more than once... Douglas, Holyfield he just gave up...

Chavez was a slow puncher... you can see his punches a mile off... he couldn't beat anyone with great head movement and reflexes, ala Sweet Pea Whitaker.

Cotto has little to NO head movement... that's why Pac beat him to a crisp...

Manny gets hit way too often... because he is always coming forward, throwing punches. Very rarely back fought and boxed on the back foot.

Sugar Ray, for as fast as he was, was always second in the exchanges. Watch closely his fight with Duran, both with Hearns and with Hagler, even though he won most of them, he was ALWAYS second in the exchanges. What he made up for it was with fast combinations, because he had natural talent.

Roy... kept his hands down way too often... tis why he got knocked out by Johnson and Tarver like he did.

I disagree with just about every one of these

[Master]

Ali had loads never punched to the body, relied on his reflexes and later his chin, carried his hand too low, moved around too much and wasted a lot of energy. Still great though.

Leonard got too involved in being a warrior against Duran the first time.

Hearns had a suspect chin and maybe relied on his power too much.

[VG_Addict]

How about Pacquiao? His lack of an inside game.

He looked totally clueless when Bradley clinched him in their rematch.

[Master]

How about Pacquiao? His lack of an inside game.

He looked totally clueless when Bradley clinched him in their rematch.

Manny has loads but gets away with it through his fitness, speed, conditioning and power.

So did Roy Jones for that matter.

[powerpuncher]

How about Pacquiao? His lack of an inside game.

He looked totally clueless when Bradley clinched him in their rematch.

Manny has loads but gets away with it through his fitness, speed, conditioning and power.

So did Roy Jones for that matter.

Agreed. If you are an ATG and have a glaring flaw, it means that your strengths are magnified. Like pac is always opened for a counter but most people are afraid to go for it because he may hit you in the process. Same with Jones.

[oakleyno1]

Ali tired too much and took long times off in rounds...

Foreman was a terrible counter-puncher...

Oscar DLH never won out tough fights... he didn't have the grit...

Shane Mosely never liked to get punched back... good counter-puncher, but when you hit him with combos, he backs off...

Tyson gave up on himself in the ring... more than once... Douglas, Holyfield he just gave up...

Chavez was a slow puncher... you can see his punches a mile off... he couldn't beat anyone with great head movement and reflexes, ala Sweet Pea Whitaker.

Cotto has little to NO head movement... that's why Pac beat him to a crisp...

Manny gets hit way too often... because he is always coming forward, throwing punches. Very rarely back fought and boxed on the back foot.

Sugar Ray, for as fast as he was, was always second in the exchanges. Watch closely his fight with Duran, both with Hearns and with Hagler, even though he won most of them, he was ALWAYS second in the exchanges. What he made up for it was with fast combinations, because he had natural talent.

Roy... kept his hands down way too often... tis why he got knocked out by Johnson and Tarver like he did.

I disagree with just about every one of these

I disagree as well.

De La Hoya vs Ike Quartay - example of a tough fight he came through in the 12th round - a LOT of grit.

Tyson gave up on his stool only once I think vs Mcbride

Jones Jnr - the "flaw" was part of why he was so good - it just didn't last forever. Not a flaw.

[Jimanuel Boogustus]

Amir Kahn telegraphs some of his punches, something rotten.

So did Muhammad Ali:

[beenKOed]

Ali was a disrespectful prick in and out of the ring!

[Master]

Ali was a disrespectful prick in and out of the ring!

Ali had a lot of flaws Bill 2.0.

[Yuzo]

futch wanted frazier slipping and countering that jab but thats what ali wanted frazier to do to. you throw a jab to create slipping and countering to move a guy into your punches and ali was great at that.



frazier countered the right uppercut ali was throwing but because anybody throwing any right uppercut is a sitting duck for a counter left hook in boxing not because ali was throwing it wrong.



ali didnt have the right glove in front of his jaw to parry a counter jab from norton but the disadvantage of always having your right glove stay home to parry jabs is that you cant throw a right hand with it. ali wanted to get you throwing your jab when he would throw a jab because he wanted to come over your counter jab with a counter right hand. cant do that with your right glove staying home in front of your jaw.



i know that everybody cant wait to trash ali on boxing forums to sound like some kind of boxing guru or that you have some kind of monopoly on boxing knowledge and you would think that norton exposed ali but those were really good fights and they fought three times for a reason. it wasnt one way traffic. but i guess its not in style to give ali credit on boxing forums.





i dont know why you guys cant admit ali had some smarts too. thats ignorant and its not fair.

[Jimanuel Boogustus]

Some good gifs. No need to be a dick though. Monopoly? Really?
We've all been been here a long time and a lot of us would agree that Ali gets a bit of a 'free pass' as far as rating him as the greatest etc.. I wouldn't know about other forums because I'm not on any others but the point you made about Ali's attributes are correct however the video highlights the mindset of the opponent.

Also Gatti landed the hook because that uppercut was poor.

[Vendettos]

For the most part, Ali was a promoters dream.

A golden goose of entertainment.

In and out of the ring came everything you wanted... Not just a fight, not just one year of success....

.... But a story lasting a few decade that you can enjoy forever more.

Ali wasn't TBE but he is by quite a long distance the most entertaining boxer, most charismatic boxer and the boxer who's story is most entertaining to watch.

Imo which is always right... Sorry guys.

[brocktonblockbust]

I will start with Muhammad Ali because he is supposed to be the greatest even tho at least 4 great heavy weights in history who would have kicked the s*** out of him. First of all as master has stated I don't think I ever saw him throw a body punch. Number 2 Ali was very boring to watch sometimes due to his running around like a chicken and showing off his latest Colombian salsa dance moves and footwork to try to impress the judges with gymnastics. By doing this he knew that it was impossible for other fighters to hit him. So in a way this is just burning the clock and then coming back to fight 30 or 40 seconds of the round and throw a few flicking jabs like a girl and grab behind the head to win the rounds.