Europe is too much of a soft touch

[walrus]

So you feel not protecting property rights and giving government more power would be part of this answer.

Yes, ultimately no one would 'own' property, it should eventually 'belong' to the 'syndicate', but initially that would be the state, as a part of an interim Socialist Federation. More 'government power' would occur, but under a form of Direct Democracy.

So.....mob rule is best?

You can't have democracy without rights of the people to own property. You worry that capitalism has become corrupt and needs to be fixed. Your concern is not without merit but I don't have enough faith in any government body to say it can not be corrupted. In China, where government has owned most of the businesses, corruption runs amok. Now I see you refer to a federation. Are you referring to a confederate? I'm just trying to see where you are coming from. It seems to me your ideas are more outside of a democracy yet you say direct democracy.

[Britkid]

So you feel not protecting property rights and giving government more power would be part of this answer.

Yes, ultimately no one would 'own' property, it should eventually 'belong' to the 'syndicate', but initially that would be the state, as a part of an interim Socialist Federation. More 'government power' would occur, but under a form of Direct Democracy.

So.....mob rule is best?

You can't have democracy without rights of the people to own property. You worry that capitalism has become corrupt and needs to be fixed. Your concern is not without merit but I don't have enough faith in any government body to say it can not be corrupted. In China, where government has owned most of the businesses, corruption runs amok. Now I see you refer to a federation. Are you referring to a confederate? I'm just trying to see where you are coming from. It seems to me your ideas are more outside of a democracy yet you say direct democracy.

Anarcho Syndicate is generally built on a form of a 'Federal structure'. But yes it could be described as a confederacy, but I tried to avoid that term, as I suspect it has 'loaded' meanings to Americans.

As for 'no democracy without property rights'; the 'people' ('the syndicate'), not the 'person' would 'own' property, thus it is not an issue.

[walrus]

So you feel not protecting property rights and giving government more power would be part of this answer.

Yes, ultimately no one would 'own' property, it should eventually 'belong' to the 'syndicate', but initially that would be the state, as a part of an interim Socialist Federation. More 'government power' would occur, but under a form of Direct Democracy.

So.....mob rule is best?

You can't have democracy without rights of the people to own property. You worry that capitalism has become corrupt and needs to be fixed. Your concern is not without merit but I don't have enough faith in any government body to say it can not be corrupted. In China, where government has owned most of the businesses, corruption runs amok. Now I see you refer to a federation. Are you referring to a confederate? I'm just trying to see where you are coming from. It seems to me your ideas are more outside of a democracy yet you say direct democracy.

Anarcho Syndicate is generally built on a form of a 'Federal structure'. But yes it could be described as a confederacy, but I tried to avoid that term, as I suspect it has 'loaded' meanings to Americans.

As for 'no democracy without property rights'; the 'people' ('the syndicate'), not the 'person' would 'own' property, thus it is not an issue.

After the revolution and prior to the civil war our first form of government was a confederate. Didn't work out well. If you read our history you will see there were a few presidents before Washington, Washington was the fist under the constitution. So a confederate was tried here in the US and was not sustainable. I believe Switzerland is a confederate, don't know how many other confederate countries are out their. No American should take issue with you using the word confederate especially when discussing forms of government. None of us are advocating slavery, although I know you commies are big on that in your gulags and what not.

[Britkid]

After the revolution and prior to the civil war our first form of government was a confederate. Didn't work out well. If you read our history you will see there were a few presidents before Washington, Washington was the fist under the constitution. So a confederate was tried here in the US and was not sustainable. I believe Switzerland is a confederate, don't know how many other confederate countries are out their. No American should take issue with you using the word confederate especially when discussing forms of government. None of us are advocating slavery, although I know you commies are big on that in your gulags and what not.

Yes Communism liked its gulags; the UK invented the Concentration Camp and the US advocates torture... Changing the system will not resolve that aspect of society.

Watching an episode of QI, I think it was said Washington was something like the 13th President, which was quite interesting...

[walrus]

After the revolution and prior to the civil war our first form of government was a confederate. Didn't work out well. If you read our history you will see there were a few presidents before Washington, Washington was the fist under the constitution. So a confederate was tried here in the US and was not sustainable. I believe Switzerland is a confederate, don't know how many other confederate countries are out their. No American should take issue with you using the word confederate especially when discussing forms of government. None of us are advocating slavery, although I know you commies are big on that in your gulags and what not.

Yes Communism liked its gulags; the UK invented the Concentration Camp and the US advocates torture... Changing the system will not resolve that aspect of society.

Watching an episode of QI, I think it was said Washington was something like the 13th President, which was quite interesting...

We only advocate torture when we really want to know something and someone won't tell us. But seriously, I'm against torture but it must be tempting when you have a known terrorist in front of you. If you caught the guy who had your family somewhere, would you torture him to find where they are?

[Britkid]

After the revolution and prior to the civil war our first form of government was a confederate. Didn't work out well. If you read our history you will see there were a few presidents before Washington, Washington was the fist under the constitution. So a confederate was tried here in the US and was not sustainable. I believe Switzerland is a confederate, don't know how many other confederate countries are out their. No American should take issue with you using the word confederate especially when discussing forms of government. None of us are advocating slavery, although I know you commies are big on that in your gulags and what not.

Yes Communism liked its gulags; the UK invented the Concentration Camp and the US advocates torture... Changing the system will not resolve that aspect of society.

Watching an episode of QI, I think it was said Washington was something like the 13th President, which was quite interesting...

We only advocate torture when we really want to know something and someone won't tell us. But seriously, I'm against torture but it must be tempting when you have a known terrorist in front of you. If you caught the guy who had your family somewhere, would you torture him to find where they are?

Advocating torture is almost a norm in world society generally. As I said, I think no matter what the political model that is not going to change anytime soon. As for your question, I would like to think I would not, but I cannot say for certain, who could?!

[walrus]

If I was a hundred percent sure it was the right person I probably would. As far as the government using torture, if you could guarantee me they had the right person and could save lives I'd be all for torture. Unfortunately, I don't have the faith government will get it right. For the same reason I'm against the death penalty, the government does convict the innocent plus I don't think the government should have the power to take life. It just seems to me britkid, and I say this with respect as you are obviously not an idiot, but you have too much faith in government. I think communism and socialism invest more power in the government which I don't see as a good thing.

I don't know if you've read it across the pond but the past mayor of New York actually outlawed large sized soda and certain saturated fats in NYC. That to me is a travesty, what is worse is this idiot Bloomberg was 're elected. That in itself should be considered an abuse of power. Damn, that one pisses me off.