there is no end to the depravity of mankind

[greynotsoold]

If we are going to resolve this situation, how about systematic extermination? Start with the new refugees, the refugee camp's, sink the boats, then cordon off Saudi Arabia and get after it.
If we are playing terror games and making statements killing a billion people is a strong one. Bring the mass unmarked grave back in fashion.

[SlimTrae]

@Iaminit
The thing is, this conflict is as old as civilization itself and in the end has nothing to do with economics on their end save a means and everything to do with basic tribal religious practices and interpretations of a fairy tale.

I disagree. this conflict has accelerated since 9-11. the many factions from Al Queada in afghanistan
to Hezbollah Founded in the wake of the Israeli invasion of Lebanon in 1982,
to Yasser Arafat's PLO these kind of groups are less than fifty years old.

The trouble is when the coalition was at the gates of Bagdad, they let all the Republican guard take off their uniforms and melt back into the public.

True but that was calculated by the Iraqi interim president predecessor Paul Bremer They wanted no bathists in any positions. And ask myself if I lived there and learned that A foreign nation setup psa production sharing agreements (allowed foreign companies to oversee oil production) would I see that as a good thing for my country? When Obama drew down the number of soldiers...Exxon mobile didn't leave, BP to Shell petroleum stayed. The land with oil allowed to Iraqis is almost all in Kurdish territory. Shia and Sunnis loathe that so I think these people are killing for various reasons, it's religion, some it's political and others who are sick.


The West then appointed a puppet tin pot who happened to be Shia and the Shia were oppressed by Saddam and his Sunni republican guard.

True, but Iraq is not the incubator for the many factions already mentioned from Hezbollah, plo, Taliban to the janjaweed. Professor David Fromkn wrote a heavy book Ottoman Empire-- How the Middle east was carved into new states like Lebanon to Iraq. The very places to whIch terror groups originate.

[SlimTrae]

Their brutal rivalry can be traced back to the dawn of man

IMO this rivalry didn't have foreigners betraying their homeland to join like whites and blacks here in America and even in France,
I think we have a tendency to look at the middle east conflicts because 1.Arabs watching the United nations displace Palestinians ... are vengeful as a result
2. the resources underneath their feet from Iraq ,, gas, oil to Afghanistan's opium to lithium valued at least a trillion $
My point:
if they didn't have such vast resources would we catalog their quarrels? As far back in time black in Africa had conflict. the yellow man (asian) European wars to the red man whose tribes were warring before whites came in the u.s. had tribal conflicts, y Mayans, Aztecs pulling beating hearts from the chests of their enemies...so Arab don't stand out as being the only people that war against each other for thousands of years.

. Anyway back is a bitch and the Shia backed puppet government went about to do what Saddam did to the Sunni's. The Republican guard came out of the shadows and started ICIS and now it has morpheds
into this Holy war and war of civilizations.

Agreed. I add whats x stated...these terror groups has its philosophy rooted in wahabism...began in the previous century not thousands of years ago.

It makes little difference now how many mercenaries or soldiers are there

I could agree If they aren't engaged in under cover shady shit. I remember sick Cheney's response to having more contractors than soldiers. (we have to work...on the dark side) why?

And in Syria does anyone even know who they are shooting at? Now we got the Russians bombing people the West is backing.
agreed


Our influence is why we are in this mess. We sleep with the Saudis and park jets on Saudi soil to bomb bronze age countries back to the stone age. Now Irans involved and ICIS blows up a bomb in Beriut because they hate Hezbollah who are backed by the Iranians. This is insane. Just get out and lets contractors, bag men, kill each other. Pull all western forces out and let the chips fall where they may. Why should those innocents in our countries suffer for hatchet job foreign policy? Nothing has changed in 4000 years with these people. Its not even about defeat or winning and losing. We cant win period and that should be obvious by now. How about we quit bombing their innocent people. Whats the distinction between our brand of terrorism and theirs? Since they keep telling us to get out of the Arab world maybe we should try it? What do we need it for?

I agree except the contractors staying..those crazed individuals don't see them as contractors, they are infidels period..to them.

[SlimTrae]

The bottom line for me is this, if this was a science experiment the conclusions would have been drawn years ago but because its a social experiment it seems to have an eternal shelf life. Why do we continue to do the same thing over and over and over again and expect different results? When Einstein coined that as a definition of insanity, he was not talking about math or physics. It was really a social commentary. Its been a colossal failure. Now these animals are most likely sending their flock to the west as Syrian refugees. I'm thinking Christ himself may need to make an appearance or we wash our hands of this mess.

IMO we are falling into their trap.
We are focusing on ISIS and not the environment they come from. I think you know if we could destroy them...another group comes.
As the killings to me isn't limited to religion. It's that, political, financial, evil, revenge.

I agree , Jesus or the creator of this earth is the only one that can solve this mess