Klitshcko - Fury the gloves are off

[Dark Lord Al]

I find the example of Clay v Liston funny , because Liston was a plodding power puncher , Clay was a fleet footed fancy dan who avoided punches better than any HW.
Fury is a big lump with no defence and is fighting a big power puncher who is fast of hand and foot.
Lets face it fury is about as hard to " FIND ", as a turd in a punch bowl.

Chalk and cheese.

[ross]

I find the example of Clay v Liston funny , because Liston was a plodding power puncher , Clay was a fleet footed fancy dan who avoided punches better than any HW.
Fury is a big lump with no defence and is fighting a big power puncher who is fast of hand and foot.
Lets face it fury is about as hard to " FIND ", as a turd in a punch bowl.

Chalk and cheese.

Clay wasn't considered a "fleet footed fancy dan who avoided punches better than any HW" at all!!

He had been dropped twice by much smaller men who neither were ever workd class and the smaller one, Cooper was his last fight before Liston.

He was far from considered either unhittable or having a good chin

This is why I use it as an example. You just cant get your head around how poorly he was thought of before the Liston fight because you have the luxury of knowing his whole career but at that point no one gave him a chamce and he was 8/1 to beat Liston compared to Furys 3/1 to beat Klitschko.

[Dark Lord Al]

Breaking news !!!!!

Cassius Clay adopts totally new style , and dances rings around plodding champion Sonny Liston.

Nobody would have seen this young slugger turn boxer for this fight !!! wow.
What are the odds ?
Amazing.

[ross]

Breaking news !!!!!

Cassius Clay adopts totally new style , and dances rings around plodding champion Sonny Liston.

Nobody would have seen this young slugger turn boxer for this fight !!! wow.
What are the odds ?
Amazing.

He had been dropped by two much smaller men. He wasnt hard to hit and didnt have a great chin. This was the assessment of him. There is a ring artical on it. An interesting side fact is that Liston had a longer reach than Klitschko!

"Of 58 sportswriters polled before the fight, 55 picked Liston to win and the vast majority thought he'd end matters quickly. In retrospect it's difficult to believe Clay was such a profound underdog but at the time several compelling reasons fueled their opinions.

First, Liston was a textbook fighter with a complete arsenal of deadly punches while Clay broke every imaginable rule of boxing fundamentals. He kept his hands too low. He leaned away from punches instead of slipping them. He never punched to the body. He knew nothing about fighting in the trenches. His hook and uppercut – which he used rarely – were average at best.

Second, Clay had a questionable chin. He suffered a flash knockdown against Sonny Banks and was nearly knocked senseless by Henry Cooper in his most recent fight eight months earlier. The punch that floored Clay both times: The left hook. And what was Liston's best punch? The left hook.

Third, despite the 14 knockouts in his 19-0 record and the fact that he had stopped 10 of his last 11 opponents, Clay didn't appear to have the one-punch power to earn Liston's respect.

Finally, the experts thought the 22-year-old Clay was mentally unstable and lacked the maturity to be world heavyweight champion. Those criticisms seemingly were confirmed the morning of the fight when Clay instigated the most chaotic weigh-in ceremony the boxing world had ever seen."

[El Kabong]

He had been dropped by two much smaller men. He wasnt hard to hit and didnt have a great chin. This was the assessment of him. There is a ring artical on it. An interesting side fact is that Liston had a longer reach than Klitschko!

"Of 58 sportswriters polled before the fight, 55 picked Liston to win and the vast majority thought he'd end matters quickly. In retrospect it's difficult to believe Clay was such a profound underdog but at the time several compelling reasons fueled their opinions.

First, Liston was a textbook fighter with a complete arsenal of deadly punches while Clay broke every imaginable rule of boxing fundamentals. He kept his hands too low. He leaned away from punches instead of slipping them. He never punched to the body. He knew nothing about fighting in the trenches. His hook and uppercut – which he used rarely – were average at best.

Second, Clay had a questionable chin. He suffered a flash knockdown against Sonny Banks and was nearly knocked senseless by Henry Cooper in his most recent fight eight months earlier. The punch that floored Clay both times: The left hook. And what was Liston's best punch? The left hook.

Third, despite the 14 knockouts in his 19-0 record and the fact that he had stopped 10 of his last 11 opponents, Clay didn't appear to have the one-punch power to earn Liston's respect.

Finally, the experts thought the 22-year-old Clay was mentally unstable and lacked the maturity to be world heavyweight champion. Those criticisms seemingly were confirmed the morning of the fight when Clay instigated the most chaotic weigh-in ceremony the boxing world had ever seen."

......please.....tell us more......there are......so many parallels between these fights

[Beanz]

Al is right Ali's defense was incredible at times for a HW. Reflexes and speed, something big ol Tyson Fury does not have in spades. He could throw a hook, but nothing like Frazier, and certainly not like Fury. Good luck putting Wlad in a headlock like Cunningham. Not going to happen.

[El Kabong]

Al is right Ali's defense was incredible at times for a HW. Reflexes and speed, something big ol Tyson Fury does not have in spades. He could throw a hook, but nothing like Frazier, and certainly not like Fury. Good luck putting Wlad in a headlock like Cunningham. Not going to happen.

Who do you think will win Klitschko-Fury and how?

[Dark Lord Al]

I know the kids spuds will explode with a fury win but logic says fury has beaten nobody of note , he has shown a weak chin against light punchers , his defence is as water tight as a haddock's bathing costum . He will lose by KO and like Sarah Jessica Parker , it won't be pretty!

[El Kabong]

I know the kids spuds will explode with a fury win but logic says fury has beaten nobody of note , he has shown a weak chin against light punchers , his defence is as water tight as a haddock's bathing costum . He will lose by KO and like Sarah Jessica Parker , it won't be pretty!

But the same thing was said about Ali before he fought Liston




HA I FUCKING BEAT YOU TO IT ROSS YOU COCKSUCKER!

[Beanz]

Al is right Ali's defense was incredible at times for a HW. Reflexes and speed, something big ol Tyson Fury does not have in spades. He could throw a hook, but nothing like Frazier, and certainly not like Fury. Good luck putting Wlad in a headlock like Cunningham. Not going to happen.

Who do you think will win Klitschko-Fury and how?

Wlad by brutal KO. It will be like the title of the Starsky and Hutch second season episode which originally started off as the test pilot

[nuggetdotcom]

Early rounds Klit KO. He will come out with a vengeance and throw big ones, all fury has got is bar room and fouling, end of in 3 rounds.

Fury then begging for a fight with Joshua, getting no response (why risk a potential world champion against a pikey who could foul him out) Haye will then knock him the fuck out for about 1 and a bit mill, you heard it here first.