Possible Terrorist Attacks in Paris

[El Kabong]

And that is why they will continue to have 'success'. They are so small and insignificant, that the only way they can 'succeed' is by the building up the hatred, and then 'offering' an alternative to those Muslims who feel they are outsiders and unwanted in the Developed world.

So El Kabong, with posts like that, you are in your own small way helping to keep ISIS alive...

Well I've seen enough movies to know that if we LOVE our enemies and welcome them with open arms they'll have a crisis of conscious and end up befriending us.


Besides ISIS isn't even Muslim....it's Jewish or American....I mean see for yourself

[Britkid]

And that is why they will continue to have 'success'. They are so small and insignificant, that the only way they can 'succeed' is by the building up the hatred, and then 'offering' an alternative to those Muslims who feel they are outsiders and unwanted in the Developed world.

So El Kabong, with posts like that, you are in your own small way helping to keep ISIS alive...

Well I've seen enough movies to know that if we LOVE our enemies and welcome them with open arms they'll have a crisis of conscious and end up befriending us.

Of course you do not love your enemies, but my point is ISIS is so insignificant that it relies on the Developed world 'turning' their people to ISIS with ignorance and prejudice.

[El Kabong]

And that is why they will continue to have 'success'. They are so small and insignificant, that the only way they can 'succeed' is by the building up the hatred, and then 'offering' an alternative to those Muslims who feel they are outsiders and unwanted in the Developed world.

So El Kabong, with posts like that, you are in your own small way helping to keep ISIS alive...

Well I've seen enough movies to know that if we LOVE our enemies and welcome them with open arms they'll have a crisis of conscious and end up befriending us.

Of course you do not love your enemies, but my point is ISIS is so insignificant that it relies on the Developed world 'turning' their people to ISIS with ignorance and prejudice.

So it's "ignorant" to want to destroy your enemies....but at the same time naïve to love your enemies.


See here's where you hit a brick wall with your typical critical theory take on this situation.

[Britkid]

And that is why they will continue to have 'success'. They are so small and insignificant, that the only way they can 'succeed' is by the building up the hatred, and then 'offering' an alternative to those Muslims who feel they are outsiders and unwanted in the Developed world.

So El Kabong, with posts like that, you are in your own small way helping to keep ISIS alive...

Well I've seen enough movies to know that if we LOVE our enemies and welcome them with open arms they'll have a crisis of conscious and end up befriending us.

Of course you do not love your enemies, but my point is ISIS is so insignificant that it relies on the Developed world 'turning' their people to ISIS with ignorance and prejudice.

So it's "ignorant" to want to destroy your enemies....but at the same time naïve to love your enemies.


See here's where you hit a brick wall with your typical critical theory take on this situation.

To be blunt, for someone of your intelligence, I do not know if the excuse of ignorance is good enough for your views; I start to wonder whether it is a prejudice, particularly when you come out with the 'I have Muslim friends' defence.

But then I think: It is El Kabong, he is just throwing out a cliche... So his only 'prejudice' is lack of originality...

[El Kabong]

To be blunt, for someone of your intelligence, I do not know if the excuse of ignorance is good enough for your views; I start to wonder whether it is a prejudice, particularly when you come out with the 'I have Muslim friends' defence.

But then I think: It is El Kabong, he is just throwing out a cliche... So his only 'prejudice' is lack of originality...

So you don't have an answer in your big bag of 'Critical Theory'? Just run of the mill insults then?.....Uh, thanks, I guess

[Britkid]

To be blunt, for someone of your intelligence, I do not know if the excuse of ignorance is good enough for your views; I start to wonder whether it is a prejudice, particularly when you come out with the 'I have Muslim friends' defence.

But then I think: It is El Kabong, he is just throwing out a cliche... So his only 'prejudice' is lack of originality...

So you don't have an answer in your big bag of 'Critical Theory'? Just run of the mill insults then?.....Uh, thanks, I guess

To spell out what you already know: It is ignorant when the 'intelligent' Conservatives along with the naive masses get hysterical over a ridiculous threat like ISIS

Particularly when the Conservatives mentioned know ISIS's way of gaining notoriety.

[El Kabong]

To be blunt, for someone of your intelligence, I do not know if the excuse of ignorance is good enough for your views; I start to wonder whether it is a prejudice, particularly when you come out with the 'I have Muslim friends' defence.

But then I think: It is El Kabong, he is just throwing out a cliche... So his only 'prejudice' is lack of originality...

So you don't have an answer in your big bag of 'Critical Theory'? Just run of the mill insults then?.....Uh, thanks, I guess

To spell out what you already know: It is ignorant when the 'intelligent' Conservatives along with the naive masses get hysterical over a ridiculous threat like ISIS

Particularly when the Conservatives mentioned know ISIS's way of gaining notoriety.

Ok then so nothing still?

[El Kabong]

And before anyone has a hissyfit....I'm not anti-Muslim, I have many friends who are Muslims, I frequently ask for their views and clarifications regarding Middle East politics and to be quite honest some of them are not interested in the Middle East at all seeing how they have assimilated into American life and of course I treat them no differently than any of my other friends.


I'm just frustrated that ISIS is allowed to exist and honestly it doesn't look to me like Obama is doing ANYTHING to fix the situation.....you think expanding drone strikes is going to win us allies? Obama is a pussy. Obama would rather disarm the American citizen than get rid of ISIS.

[Spicoli]

Not much mention of 5 Syrians with stolen passports being caught making way through Honduras to U.S. There are hearing so much cartoon BS about a HUUUUGE wall being the answer that we are forgetting the best allies we may have are those closest watching the boarders before our own. There will be a day when we yearn for 100 orange pickers "taking our jobs" over the true wolves on the doorstep.

[brocktonblockbust]

And that is why they will continue to have 'success'. They are so small and insignificant, that the only way they can 'succeed' is by the building up the hatred, and then 'offering' an alternative to those Muslims who feel they are outsiders and unwanted in the Developed world.

So El Kabong, with posts like that, you are in your own small way helping to keep ISIS alive...

Well I've seen enough movies to know that if we LOVE our enemies and welcome them with open arms they'll have a crisis of conscious and end up befriending us.


Besides ISIS isn't even Muslim....it's Jewish or American....I mean see for yourself

true enough Lyle but I cant resist saying Bush was one of the idiots who thought handing out candy and flowers to Iraqis would win them over "hearts & minds", bwAAAHAHAHA

[El Kabong]

true enough Lyle but I cant resist saying Bush was one of the idiots who thought handing out candy and flowers to Iraqis would win them over "hearts & minds", bwAAAHAHAHA

Well that COULD have been the case, the issue with the War in Iraq was the small holding force Donald Rumsfeld chose and W backed him on. One could only think "What could have happened if a REAL occupying force been in place after Saddam fell?"


But hindsight is 20/20

[brocktonblockbust]

true enough Lyle but I cant resist saying Bush was one of the idiots who thought handing out candy and flowers to Iraqis would win them over "hearts & minds", bwAAAHAHAHA

Well that COULD have been the case, the issue with the War in Iraq was the small holding force Donald Rumsfeld chose and W backed him on. One could only think "What could have happened if a REAL occupying force been in place after Saddam fell?"


But hindsight is 20/20

You're talking about half a million troops then right ? because I think they had something like 200,000 in there at one point

[El Kabong]

true enough Lyle but I cant resist saying Bush was one of the idiots who thought handing out candy and flowers to Iraqis would win them over "hearts & minds", bwAAAHAHAHA

Well that COULD have been the case, the issue with the War in Iraq was the small holding force Donald Rumsfeld chose and W backed him on. One could only think "What could have happened if a REAL occupying force been in place after Saddam fell?"


But hindsight is 20/20

You're talking about half a million troops then right ? because I think they had something like 200,000 in there at one point

Not until AFTER the troop surge and in that case we had paid to keep some groups from fighting as well (how fucking dumb is that?). We needed an occupying force IMMEDIATELY after the fall of Baghdad and the capture of Saddam in order to keep sectarians from seeing the lack of a head of the nation as carte blanche to get retribution on their enemies from the Saddam regime.

There needed to be a normalization, there needed to be concessions made by the majority in order to keep the minority pleased with being "Iraqi" which is still a foreign feeling to most of those folks. All groups needed to be represented in the rebuilding of that nation and the only way they'd cooperate is through a show of force so overwhelming they wouldn't dare fight back.....now seizing Iraq was a piece of cake, holding it and implementing a plan to keep peace was where the fuck up really started.


But that's MY view, I think VC would probably have a better understanding.