Lee v Saunders 'head to head'

[El Kabong]

Well I guess I need to resign my post here...I mean it's obvious that I haven't had a pro or amateur fight so I couldn't possibly know anything about boxing. I mean Burt Sugar boxed, Dan Rafael boxed, Jim Lampley boxed, Larry Merchant boxed, Max Kellerman boxed, Brian Kenny boxed, Bernard Osuna boxed, and look at me....the hubris I must have to think I know anything about boxing.


I guess also since I've never held public office I can't complain about politicians either.


My world has been shaken to the core

[ross]

Well I guess I need to resign my post here...I mean it's obvious that I haven't had a pro or amateur fight so I couldn't possibly know anything about boxing. I mean Burt Sugar boxed, Dan Rafael boxed, Jim Lampley boxed, Larry Merchant boxed, Max Kellerman boxed, Brian Kenny boxed, Bernard Osuna boxed, and look at me....the hubris I must have to think I know anything about boxing.


I guess also since I've never held public office I can't complain about politicians either.


My world has been shaken to the core

All those names talk their fair amount of shit.

I watched or read an interview yesterday maybe even a post in here, cant even remember who it was with and they hit the nail on the head when they saiid the commentators like the people you mentioned are only repeating things and opinions they have heard from boxers and they labelled them parrot commentators. Those who havent boxed lap it up and take it all in because they know no better.

Primo, my record was 18 fights, 12 wins. Boxed 2 and a half seasons before I broke my right hand then never had the time with work to train as I did before. I took a job with our electricity supplier and did standbys so couldnt be getting up at 5.30am for runs, or even getting to the boxing club for 5pm any more and the combination of not being able to train properly or commit to any fights with my right hand fucked or being able to train as much as I felt I needed to I just felt I was out too long to get back in to it. Especially when the club wasnt that big but had a big contingient of boxers who took priority on the pads etc. I. Was asked to become a ref because the coach felt that they needed another ref whos actually boxed before but to become a ref you have to do a year as a judge first but judging isnt for me. Its dull, lonely and difficult.

[Primo Carnera]

Well I guess I need to resign my post here...I mean it's obvious that I haven't had a pro or amateur fight so I couldn't possibly know anything about boxing. I mean Burt Sugar boxed, Dan Rafael boxed, Jim Lampley boxed, Larry Merchant boxed, Max Kellerman boxed, Brian Kenny boxed, Bernard Osuna boxed, and look at me....the hubris I must have to think I know anything about boxing.


I guess also since I've never held public office I can't complain about politicians either.


My world has been shaken to the core

All those names talk their fair amount of shit.

I watched or read an interview yesterday maybe even a post in here, cant even remember who it was with and they hit the nail on the head when they saiid the commentators like the people you mentioned are only repeating things and opinions they have heard from boxers and they labelled them parrot commentators. Those who havent boxed lap it up and take it all in because they know no better.

Primo, my record was 18 fights, 12 wins. Boxed 2 and a half seasons before I broke my right hand then never had the time with work to train as I did before. I took a job with our electricity supplier and did standbys so couldnt be getting up at 5.30am for runs, or even getting to the boxing club for 5pm any more and the combination of not being able to train properly or commit to any fights with my right hand fucked or being able to train as much as I felt I needed to I just felt I was out too long to get back in to it. Especially when the club wasnt that big but had a big contingient of boxers who took priority on the pads etc. I. Was asked to become a ref because the coach felt that they needed another ref whos actually boxed before but to become a ref you have to do a year as a judge first but judging isnt for me. Its dull, lonely and difficult.

Thanks for the life story Ross, seems like a lot of excuses in there, Broken Hand, new job, didn't have the time, too tired, no priority on the pads , cat died ,blah, blah, blah. Then they asked you to ref rather than coach, cos you weren't up to that , so you judged and because a couple of people criticised you, you sacked it off. forgive me for not getting the violin out here!
and all of this gives you licence to call Wlad and Haye Cowards? nice one.

[El Kabong]

Well I guess I need to resign my post here...I mean it's obvious that I haven't had a pro or amateur fight so I couldn't possibly know anything about boxing. I mean Burt Sugar boxed, Dan Rafael boxed, Jim Lampley boxed, Larry Merchant boxed, Max Kellerman boxed, Brian Kenny boxed, Bernard Osuna boxed, and look at me....the hubris I must have to think I know anything about boxing.


I guess also since I've never held public office I can't complain about politicians either.


My world has been shaken to the core

All those names talk their fair amount of shit.

I watched or read an interview yesterday maybe even a post in here, cant even remember who it was with and they hit the nail on the head when they saiid the commentators like the people you mentioned are only repeating things and opinions they have heard from boxers and they labelled them parrot commentators. Those who havent boxed lap it up and take it all in because they know no better.

Primo, my record was 18 fights, 12 wins. Boxed 2 and a half seasons before I broke my right hand then never had the time with work to train as I did before. I took a job with our electricity supplier and did standbys so couldnt be getting up at 5.30am for runs, or even getting to the boxing club for 5pm any more and the combination of not being able to train properly or commit to any fights with my right hand fucked or being able to train as much as I felt I needed to I just felt I was out too long to get back in to it. Especially when the club wasnt that big but had a big contingient of boxers who took priority on the pads etc. I. Was asked to become a ref because the coach felt that they needed another ref whos actually boxed before but to become a ref you have to do a year as a judge first but judging isnt for me. Its dull, lonely and difficult.

Thanks for the life story Ross, seems like a lot of excuses in there, Broken Hand, new job, didn't have the time, too tired, no priority on the pads , cat died ,blah, blah, blah. Then they asked you to ref rather than coach, cos you weren't up to that , so you judged and because a couple of people criticised you, you sacked it off. forgive me for not getting the violin out here!
and all of this gives you licence to call Wlad and Haye Cowards? nice one.

Woah woah woah.....you can't possibly critique ross......I mean you haven't been a boxing judge before so you just can't judge him like that, you don't know what a horribly difficult job that is.


I mean here I am just now learning that boxing has "seasons".....ross taught me that...otherwise I never would have known.


So who is winning the championship this "season" ross?

[ross]

Well I guess I need to resign my post here...I mean it's obvious that I haven't had a pro or amateur fight so I couldn't possibly know anything about boxing. I mean Burt Sugar boxed, Dan Rafael boxed, Jim Lampley boxed, Larry Merchant boxed, Max Kellerman boxed, Brian Kenny boxed, Bernard Osuna boxed, and look at me....the hubris I must have to think I know anything about boxing.


I guess also since I've never held public office I can't complain about politicians either.


My world has been shaken to the core

All those names talk their fair amount of shit.

I watched or read an interview yesterday maybe even a post in here, cant even remember who it was with and they hit the nail on the head when they saiid the commentators like the people you mentioned are only repeating things and opinions they have heard from boxers and they labelled them parrot commentators. Those who havent boxed lap it up and take it all in because they know no better.

Primo, my record was 18 fights, 12 wins. Boxed 2 and a half seasons before I broke my right hand then never had the time with work to train as I did before. I took a job with our electricity supplier and did standbys so couldnt be getting up at 5.30am for runs, or even getting to the boxing club for 5pm any more and the combination of not being able to train properly or commit to any fights with my right hand fucked or being able to train as much as I felt I needed to I just felt I was out too long to get back in to it. Especially when the club wasnt that big but had a big contingient of boxers who took priority on the pads etc. I. Was asked to become a ref because the coach felt that they needed another ref whos actually boxed before but to become a ref you have to do a year as a judge first but judging isnt for me. Its dull, lonely and difficult.

Thanks for the life story Ross, seems like a lot of excuses in there, Broken Hand, new job, didn't have the time, too tired, no priority on the pads , cat died ,blah, blah, blah. Then they asked you to ref rather than coach, cos you weren't up to that , so you judged and because a couple of people criticised you, you sacked it off. forgive me for not getting the violin out here!
and all of this gives you licence to call Wlad and Haye Cowards? nice one.

So whats your excuses?

[El Kabong]

So whats your excuses?

What will be your excuse when Wlad flattens your boy? You KNOW boxing ross, you've lived it, you've been through "seasons" of boxing....that's more than all of us can say.....but when you end up being absolutely wrong about Tyson Fury and his chances at doing anything in the division, what then?

[ross]

So whats your excuses?

What will be your excuse when Wlad flattens your boy? You KNOW boxing ross, you've lived it, you've been through "seasons" of boxing....that's more than all of us can say.....but when you end up being absolutely wrong about Tyson Fury and his chances at doing anything in the division, what then?

I dont need to be concerned about that.

[El Kabong]

I dont need to be concerned about that.

OK, cool bro

[Primo Carnera]

Well I guess I need to resign my post here...I mean it's obvious that I haven't had a pro or amateur fight so I couldn't possibly know anything about boxing. I mean Burt Sugar boxed, Dan Rafael boxed, Jim Lampley boxed, Larry Merchant boxed, Max Kellerman boxed, Brian Kenny boxed, Bernard Osuna boxed, and look at me....the hubris I must have to think I know anything about boxing.


I guess also since I've never held public office I can't complain about politicians either.


My world has been shaken to the core

All those names talk their fair amount of shit.

I watched or read an interview yesterday maybe even a post in here, cant even remember who it was with and they hit the nail on the head when they saiid the commentators like the people you mentioned are only repeating things and opinions they have heard from boxers and they labelled them parrot commentators. Those who havent boxed lap it up and take it all in because they know no better.

Primo, my record was 18 fights, 12 wins. Boxed 2 and a half seasons before I broke my right hand then never had the time with work to train as I did before. I took a job with our electricity supplier and did standbys so couldnt be getting up at 5.30am for runs, or even getting to the boxing club for 5pm any more and the combination of not being able to train properly or commit to any fights with my right hand fucked or being able to train as much as I felt I needed to I just felt I was out too long to get back in to it. Especially when the club wasnt that big but had a big contingient of boxers who took priority on the pads etc. I. Was asked to become a ref because the coach felt that they needed another ref whos actually boxed before but to become a ref you have to do a year as a judge first but judging isnt for me. Its dull, lonely and difficult.

Thanks for the life story Ross, seems like a lot of excuses in there, Broken Hand, new job, didn't have the time, too tired, no priority on the pads , cat died ,blah, blah, blah. Then they asked you to ref rather than coach, cos you weren't up to that , so you judged and because a couple of people criticised you, you sacked it off. forgive me for not getting the violin out here!
and all of this gives you licence to call Wlad and Haye Cowards? nice one.

So whats your excuses?

No excuses from me , I committed and dedicated myself to a different sport to a decent level and I wouldn't have been able to do both because they clashed and have different physical requirements.
but I don't want to talk about myself, I find that invariably people talk about themselves because nobody else talks about them, bit of a craving for attention, but I suppose that's something that we're different on. (is that enough emoji's for you?)

[ross]

Well I guess I need to resign my post here...I mean it's obvious that I haven't had a pro or amateur fight so I couldn't possibly know anything about boxing. I mean Burt Sugar boxed, Dan Rafael boxed, Jim Lampley boxed, Larry Merchant boxed, Max Kellerman boxed, Brian Kenny boxed, Bernard Osuna boxed, and look at me....the hubris I must have to think I know anything about boxing.


I guess also since I've never held public office I can't complain about politicians either.


My world has been shaken to the core

All those names talk their fair amount of shit.

I watched or read an interview yesterday maybe even a post in here, cant even remember who it was with and they hit the nail on the head when they saiid the commentators like the people you mentioned are only repeating things and opinions they have heard from boxers and they labelled them parrot commentators. Those who havent boxed lap it up and take it all in because they know no better.

Primo, my record was 18 fights, 12 wins. Boxed 2 and a half seasons before I broke my right hand then never had the time with work to train as I did before. I took a job with our electricity supplier and did standbys so couldnt be getting up at 5.30am for runs, or even getting to the boxing club for 5pm any more and the combination of not being able to train properly or commit to any fights with my right hand fucked or being able to train as much as I felt I needed to I just felt I was out too long to get back in to it. Especially when the club wasnt that big but had a big contingient of boxers who took priority on the pads etc. I. Was asked to become a ref because the coach felt that they needed another ref whos actually boxed before but to become a ref you have to do a year as a judge first but judging isnt for me. Its dull, lonely and difficult.

Thanks for the life story Ross, seems like a lot of excuses in there, Broken Hand, new job, didn't have the time, too tired, no priority on the pads , cat died ,blah, blah, blah. Then they asked you to ref rather than coach, cos you weren't up to that , so you judged and because a couple of people criticised you, you sacked it off. forgive me for not getting the violin out here!
and all of this gives you licence to call Wlad and Haye Cowards? nice one.

So whats your excuses?

No excuses from me , I committed and dedicated myself to a different sport to a decent level and I wouldn't have been able to do both because they clashed and have different physical requirements.
but I don't want to talk about myself, I find that invariably people talk about themselves because nobody else talks about them, bit of a craving for attention, but I suppose that's something that we're different on. (is that enough emoji's for you?)

Thats suspiciously excusy.

We had footballers, runners, cyclists, rugby players, martial artists, track and field athletes allsorts trying out boxing and they all actually boxed with varying degrees of success. They actually trued it out and gave it a go. They didnt assess from the sidelines that the sport they are currently in would instantly deem them unsuitable! what a load of shit! All those other sports people actually said the boxing training was harder than they expected and used to come up to benefit their other sports!

Boxing is one of those sports that unless you have a disability anyone is suitable for because you are always evenly matched! As long as you go amateur and not white collar. Also, by physical requirements, do you mean it would be physically more demanding and mentally more draining?

[El Kabong]

Thats suspiciously excusy.

We had footballers, runners, cyclists, rugby players, martial artists, track and field athletes allsorts trying out boxing and they all actually boxed with varying degrees of success. They actually trued it out and gave it a go. They didnt assess from the sidelines that the sport they are currently in would instantly deem them unsuitable! what a load of shit! All those other sports people actually said the boxing training was harder than they expected and used to come up to benefit their other sports!

Boxing is one of those sports that unless you have a disability anyone is suitable for because you are always evenly matched! As long as you go amateur and not white collar. Also, by physical requirements, do you mean it would be physically more demanding and mentally more draining?

Well I played American Football, Lacrosse, Baseball, Ice Hockey, and I boxed....oh excuse me I "did training" ....but of course I'd know nothing of competition, nothing of strategy, none of that stuff seeing how I only "did training" and since you assume a great deal about my "doing training" you know that to be true.


"You are always evenly matched!" ....meaning what as long as both fighters have a head, two arms, and two legs they're matched evenly? So If Valuev the 7 foot tall former WBA title holder was to fight current minimumweight champion Wanheng Menayothin it would be an "evenly matched" fight? Or if Wladimir was to fight an amateur 16 year old that's "evenly matched"?

[Primo Carnera]

Well I guess I need to resign my post here...I mean it's obvious that I haven't had a pro or amateur fight so I couldn't possibly know anything about boxing. I mean Burt Sugar boxed, Dan Rafael boxed, Jim Lampley boxed, Larry Merchant boxed, Max Kellerman boxed, Brian Kenny boxed, Bernard Osuna boxed, and look at me....the hubris I must have to think I know anything about boxing.


I guess also since I've never held public office I can't complain about politicians either.


My world has been shaken to the core

All those names talk their fair amount of shit.

I watched or read an interview yesterday maybe even a post in here, cant even remember who it was with and they hit the nail on the head when they saiid the commentators like the people you mentioned are only repeating things and opinions they have heard from boxers and they labelled them parrot commentators. Those who havent boxed lap it up and take it all in because they know no better.

Primo, my record was 18 fights, 12 wins. Boxed 2 and a half seasons before I broke my right hand then never had the time with work to train as I did before. I took a job with our electricity supplier and did standbys so couldnt be getting up at 5.30am for runs, or even getting to the boxing club for 5pm any more and the combination of not being able to train properly or commit to any fights with my right hand fucked or being able to train as much as I felt I needed to I just felt I was out too long to get back in to it. Especially when the club wasnt that big but had a big contingient of boxers who took priority on the pads etc. I. Was asked to become a ref because the coach felt that they needed another ref whos actually boxed before but to become a ref you have to do a year as a judge first but judging isnt for me. Its dull, lonely and difficult.

Thanks for the life story Ross, seems like a lot of excuses in there, Broken Hand, new job, didn't have the time, too tired, no priority on the pads , cat died ,blah, blah, blah. Then they asked you to ref rather than coach, cos you weren't up to that , so you judged and because a couple of people criticised you, you sacked it off. forgive me for not getting the violin out here!
and all of this gives you licence to call Wlad and Haye Cowards? nice one.

So whats your excuses?

No excuses from me , I committed and dedicated myself to a different sport to a decent level and I wouldn't have been able to do both because they clashed and have different physical requirements.
but I don't want to talk about myself, I find that invariably people talk about themselves because nobody else talks about them, bit of a craving for attention, but I suppose that's something that we're different on. (is that enough emoji's for you?)

Thats suspiciously excusy.

We had footballers, runners, cyclists, rugby players, martial artists, track and field athletes allsorts trying out boxing and they all actually boxed with varying degrees of success. They actually trued it out and gave it a go. They didnt assess from the sidelines that the sport they are currently in would instantly deem them unsuitable! what a load of shit! All those other sports people actually said the boxing training was harder than they expected and used to come up to benefit their other sports!

Boxing is one of those sports that unless you have a disability anyone is suitable for because you are always evenly matched! As long as you go amateur and not white collar. Also, by physical requirements, do you mean it would be physically more demanding and mentally more draining?

Ha. "Suspiciously excusy"? I really don't want to sound like some fuckin hero here, but when I do something I want to do it as well as I can. In the sport that I competed in, more muscle mass and more weight was required. in Boxing , to get the best out of yourself, if you're a certain height, realistically you need to get down to a certain weight. E.g. If you were 5 foot 9 tall, realistically you wouldn't want to box any heavier than MW (11stone 6lb) whereas you could play physical team sports and be 5 foot 9 tall and weigh 13 stone , be ripped and do very well.
In a nutshell, if you want to excel at various sports , your body shape and mass have to change.
If you can't understand this Ross, well I can't spell it out any clearer. Like I said, I don't want to give my life story because nobody is interested and I'll leave that to insecure people like you who want to give it the big'un and imagine they are superior.
I agree that Boxing training is exceptionally hard, and I have trained in a gym and fucking loved it. But I used it as extra fitness for the sport that I competed in.
The gym I trained in had ABA Champions, Commonwealth games competitors and British pro title contenders , but I'm not going to pretend I sparred with them just to please you, however I have trained with them.
I fail to see the relevance of your post, but The thing is with you Ross, when you're stumped to answer a question, you spout off some horse shit and ignore the question raised. It's pathetic really, but I don't think it's just me who sees through. Basically I think most people on here think you talk shit, that's why you were crying and whinging because people liked a post where I made you look the fool you are!

[El Kabong]

All those names talk their fair amount of shit.

I watched or read an interview yesterday maybe even a post in here, cant even remember who it was with and they hit the nail on the head when they saiid the commentators like the people you mentioned are only repeating things and opinions they have heard from boxers and they labelled them parrot commentators. Those who havent boxed lap it up and take it all in because they know no better.

Primo, my record was 18 fights, 12 wins. Boxed 2 and a half seasons before I broke my right hand then never had the time with work to train as I did before. I took a job with our electricity supplier and did standbys so couldnt be getting up at 5.30am for runs, or even getting to the boxing club for 5pm any more and the combination of not being able to train properly or commit to any fights with my right hand fucked or being able to train as much as I felt I needed to I just felt I was out too long to get back in to it. Especially when the club wasnt that big but had a big contingient of boxers who took priority on the pads etc. I. Was asked to become a ref because the coach felt that they needed another ref whos actually boxed before but to become a ref you have to do a year as a judge first but judging isnt for me. Its dull, lonely and difficult.

And like anyone else sometimes pundits and analysts are correct and sometimes they aren't. Tyson Fury has boxed his entire life....he thinks he'll beat Wladimir....no he doesn't just think it he KNOWS it.....so if Fury loses and Wladimir wins and I've said all along "Wladimir will win by KO" do I still "know nothing about boxing"?

I see what Fury does in the ring, I have seen what Wlad does in the ring....I've made a judgment and I'm sticking by it. I haven't called Fury a coward, I don't call fighters cowards....I think Fury is mental and I think he's in well over his head in this fight, but hey, what do I know I mean YOU'RE the know it all ross.....I mean hell....you've boxed