Quote Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust View Post
I dont caREwhat ANYONE says, I have NEVER in all my 21 years seen ANY ropes as loose as those in Zaire for the Rumble. If you watch closely in the first round, Ali was able to stick his ass into the middle rope and plant his heels, pushing backwards so that Foreman when his full reach was extended COULD NOT HAVE REACHED ALI'S CHIN. Then as Foreman's arm returned to punching position Ali would ~spring~ off the ropes like a boomerang and jolting forward quickly grab Foreman behind the head Klitschko-style and pull down on his neck.

No question the ropes were loosened. Who grabs behind the neck/cheats his way to victory/had the judges kissing his ass/never got penalized a point more: Ali or Klitschko?

If you are asking if Ali was smarter than the average fighter and Knew how to cheat, the answer is yes.
If you are asking if Angelo Dundee had seen everything and could react faster to any given situation, than anyone alive, the answer is yes.
If you are asking if Don King knew a lot of people in boxing and knew how spread money around to get what he wanted, the answer is yes.
If you are asking how Ali ever lost with Dundee in his corner and King promoting him, the answer is I don't know.
If you are asking if Ali was a great fighter, the answer is yes.
If you are asking if Ali was a first class prick for cheating so much, the answer is yes.
If you are asking if Ali was a mean spirited prick, the answer is I think so.