Dissecting Ali hate

[TitoFan]

I find all this Ali-obsessive hate amusing.
So I figure there's got to be one or more reasons why this hate exists in some people.
Below are some theories:

Old enough to have co-existed with Ali in his youth. Maybe you're old enough that you were a boxing fan back when Ali was in his prime. Maybe you hated Ali for refusing to be drafted. Maybe you yourself were a Vietnam (or other war) vet, and took it personally. Maybe you're a white dude who resented Ali's brash and outspoken personality. Or maybe you're a black guy who resented Ali not being "black enough" in some people's eyes.

Not old enough, but fan of another fighter you feel has been slighted in favor of Ali. Specifically..... Rocky Marciano, Larry Holmes, etc. Maybe you resent Ali for that reason. Ali and Marciano never met, so the best they could do was a "computer" matchup which in my estimation was pretty shitty. No relation to reality. In Holmes' case, it was the curse of following one of the greatest in the division, which an outlandish personality to match. Holmes always resented coming along after Ali.

Resentful of Cassius Clay changing his name to Muhammad Ali based on his Muslim religious beliefs. Maybe you don't like people who do that, and feel he should have stayed Cassius. You resent people who do that, so you may not like Kareem Abdul Jabbar too much either.

Hate his fighting style. I don't see why this should cause outright hate, so I hesitated to put it in here in the first place. Just not liking a fighter's style shouldn't cause the hate Ali gets. But just in case, it's in here. Maybe you don't like the way Ali used to pull opponents' head down... or used the rope-a-dope.... or something else.


I've actually run out of reasons. Please feel free to add your own. It's a thread for the haters, really. Not trying to change anyone's mind..... just trying to understand the bitter hate, is all.

[brocktonblockbust]

As a Rocky Marciano fanatic I can assure you that it has nothing to do with feeling that Marciana was slighted by Olly.. I don't see how he could have slated Marciano since they never fought in real life effectively told Howard Cosell he ranked Marciano ahead of Joe Frazier so I don't think ali ever slided Marciano so that has nothing to do with why I dislike him. I actually don't hate him I just dislike him

[TitoFan]

It certainly looks like hate to me, my friend.

Although, TBH........ I know you just like to stir things up between the haters and the non-haters.

[brocktonblockbust]

It certainly looks like hate to me, my friend.

Although, TBH........ I know you just like to stir things up between the haters and the non-haters.

Stirring is healthy and wealthy and wise!

[Dark Lord Al]

Do is hate Clay ?
Not the greatest for me.
A coward.
and a man who listened to the Nation OF Islam , need I say anymore.

Hate , hmm well judge for yourself ,if that is hate then so be it.

[Master]

Do is hate Clay ?
Not the greatest for me.
A coward.
and a man who listened to the Nation OF Islam , need I say anymore.

Hate , hmm well judge for yourself ,if that is hate then so be it.

Yes it is hate all things that were outside of the ring but you are entitled to your opinion but recognise in that ring he achieved amazing things, beating great fighters and produced historic events that are remembered for years to come.

[beenKOed]

I find all this Ali-obsessive hate amusing.
So I figure there's got to be one or more reasons why this hate exists in some people.
Below are some theories:

Old enough to have co-existed with Ali in his youth. Maybe you're old enough that you were a boxing fan back when Ali was in his prime. Maybe you hated Ali for refusing to be drafted. Maybe you yourself were a Vietnam (or other war) vet, and took it personally. Maybe you're a white dude who resented Ali's brash and outspoken personality. Or maybe you're a black guy who resented Ali not being "black enough" in some people's eyes.

Not old enough, but fan of another fighter you feel has been slighted in favor of Ali. Specifically..... Rocky Marciano, Larry Holmes, etc. Maybe you resent Ali for that reason. Ali and Marciano never met, so the best they could do was a "computer" matchup which in my estimation was pretty shitty. No relation to reality. In Holmes' case, it was the curse of following one of the greatest in the division, which an outlandish personality to match. Holmes always resented coming along after Ali.

Resentful of Cassius Clay changing his name to Muhammad Ali based on his Muslim religious beliefs. Maybe you don't like people who do that, and feel he should have stayed Cassius. You resent people who do that, so you may not like Kareem Abdul Jabbar too much either.

Hate his fighting style. I don't see why this should cause outright hate, so I hesitated to put it in here in the first place. Just not liking a fighter's style shouldn't cause the hate Ali gets. But just in case, it's in here. Maybe you don't like the way Ali used to pull opponents' head down... or used the rope-a-dope.... or something else.


I've actually run out of reasons. Please feel free to add your own. It's a thread for the haters, really. Not trying to change anyone's mind..... just trying to understand the bitter hate, is all.

So glad to see you trying to expand your mind. LOL Sir, I'm speaking for myself here, of course. Why can't, you, believe me when I say I don't like him because he was a disrespectful prick and treated black fighters far worse than he did white fighters? The thing that tickles me is why you can't seem to understand how anyone could possibly dislike Ali. You do agree that we don't all have to like Ali, right?
I'm thinking about changing my Saddoboxingland name to 'A Disrespectful Prick', to remind you we don't all have to admire or even like Ali! Live with it sir, it's one of those unfathomable boxing mysteries, like punchers are born punchers. Some of us just don't like your hero. I hope this has helped solve the mystery of bitter hate for you.

[TitoFan]

I find all this Ali-obsessive hate amusing.
So I figure there's got to be one or more reasons why this hate exists in some people.
Below are some theories:

Old enough to have co-existed with Ali in his youth. Maybe you're old enough that you were a boxing fan back when Ali was in his prime. Maybe you hated Ali for refusing to be drafted. Maybe you yourself were a Vietnam (or other war) vet, and took it personally. Maybe you're a white dude who resented Ali's brash and outspoken personality. Or maybe you're a black guy who resented Ali not being "black enough" in some people's eyes.

Not old enough, but fan of another fighter you feel has been slighted in favor of Ali. Specifically..... Rocky Marciano, Larry Holmes, etc. Maybe you resent Ali for that reason. Ali and Marciano never met, so the best they could do was a "computer" matchup which in my estimation was pretty shitty. No relation to reality. In Holmes' case, it was the curse of following one of the greatest in the division, which an outlandish personality to match. Holmes always resented coming along after Ali.

Resentful of Cassius Clay changing his name to Muhammad Ali based on his Muslim religious beliefs. Maybe you don't like people who do that, and feel he should have stayed Cassius. You resent people who do that, so you may not like Kareem Abdul Jabbar too much either.

Hate his fighting style. I don't see why this should cause outright hate, so I hesitated to put it in here in the first place. Just not liking a fighter's style shouldn't cause the hate Ali gets. But just in case, it's in here. Maybe you don't like the way Ali used to pull opponents' head down... or used the rope-a-dope.... or something else.


I've actually run out of reasons. Please feel free to add your own. It's a thread for the haters, really. Not trying to change anyone's mind..... just trying to understand the bitter hate, is all.

So glad to see you trying to expand your mind. LOL Sir, I'm speaking for myself here, of course. Why can't, you, believe me when I say blah, blah, blah.....I don't like him because he was a disrespectful prick and treated black fighters far worse than he did white fighters? blah, blah, blah..... The thing that tickles me is why you can't seem to understand how anyone could possibly dislike Ali. You do agree that we don't all have to like Ali, right?
I'm thinking about changing my Saddoboxingland name to 'A Disrespectful Prick', to remind you we don't all have to admire or even like Ali! Live with it sir, it's one of those unfathomable boxing mysteries, like punchers are born punchers. Some of us just don't like your hero. I hope this has helped solve the mystery of bitter hate for you.

Ok..... we'll add the bolded part to the list of reasons. Fair enough.

The rest I blotted out because you keep harping on the same sad song that somehow I personally give a crap about how you or anybody else feels about Ali. Reread my posts...... SIR..... and kindly point out where I'm begging you to like Ali. It's a fact-finding post. You're free to contribute.... or not..... as you see fit.

I hope this has helped solve the mystery about why I created the thread in the first place.

[Master]

Some hate him just to try and appear cool and be different. Very weird individuals.

[imp]

There will never be another one like him.

Apart from the religious views I agree wirh everything he stands for.

[Master]

There will never be another one like him.

Apart from the religious views I agree wirh everything he stands for.

Even Ali admits that was a nonsense religion and he was wrong.

[beenKOed]

I find all this Ali-obsessive hate amusing.
So I figure there's got to be one or more reasons why this hate exists in some people.
Below are some theories:

Old enough to have co-existed with Ali in his youth. Maybe you're old enough that you were a boxing fan back when Ali was in his prime. Maybe you hated Ali for refusing to be drafted. Maybe you yourself were a Vietnam (or other war) vet, and took it personally. Maybe you're a white dude who resented Ali's brash and outspoken personality. Or maybe you're a black guy who resented Ali not being "black enough" in some people's eyes.

Not old enough, but fan of another fighter you feel has been slighted in favor of Ali. Specifically..... Rocky Marciano, Larry Holmes, etc. Maybe you resent Ali for that reason. Ali and Marciano never met, so the best they could do was a "computer" matchup which in my estimation was pretty shitty. No relation to reality. In Holmes' case, it was the curse of following one of the greatest in the division, which an outlandish personality to match. Holmes always resented coming along after Ali.

Resentful of Cassius Clay changing his name to Muhammad Ali based on his Muslim religious beliefs. Maybe you don't like people who do that, and feel he should have stayed Cassius. You resent people who do that, so you may not like Kareem Abdul Jabbar too much either.

Hate his fighting style. I don't see why this should cause outright hate, so I hesitated to put it in here in the first place. Just not liking a fighter's style shouldn't cause the hate Ali gets. But just in case, it's in here. Maybe you don't like the way Ali used to pull opponents' head down... or used the rope-a-dope.... or something else.


I've actually run out of reasons. Please feel free to add your own. It's a thread for the haters, really. Not trying to change anyone's mind..... just trying to understand the bitter hate, is all.

So glad to see you trying to expand your mind. LOL Sir, I'm speaking for myself here, of course. Why can't, you, believe me when I say blah, blah, blah.....I don't like him because he was a disrespectful prick and treated black fighters far worse than he did white fighters? blah, blah, blah..... The thing that tickles me is why you can't seem to understand how anyone could possibly dislike Ali. You do agree that we don't all have to like Ali, right?
I'm thinking about changing my Saddoboxingland name to 'A Disrespectful Prick', to remind you we don't all have to admire or even like Ali! Live with it sir, it's one of those unfathomable boxing mysteries, like punchers are born punchers. Some of us just don't like your hero. I hope this has helped solve the mystery of bitter hate for you.

Ok..... we'll add the bolded part to the list of reasons. Fair enough.

The rest I blotted out because you keep harping on the same sad song that somehow I personally give a crap about how you or anybody else feels about Ali. Reread my posts...... SIR..... and kindly point out where I'm begging you to like Ali. It's a fact-finding post. You're free to contribute.... or not..... as you see fit.

I hope this has helped solve the mystery about why I created the thread in the first place.

I think I did explain myself well enough. You understood the important part, sir. Hey, have a good one.

[TitoFan]

I find all this Ali-obsessive hate amusing.
So I figure there's got to be one or more reasons why this hate exists in some people.
Below are some theories:

Old enough to have co-existed with Ali in his youth. Maybe you're old enough that you were a boxing fan back when Ali was in his prime. Maybe you hated Ali for refusing to be drafted. Maybe you yourself were a Vietnam (or other war) vet, and took it personally. Maybe you're a white dude who resented Ali's brash and outspoken personality. Or maybe you're a black guy who resented Ali not being "black enough" in some people's eyes.

Not old enough, but fan of another fighter you feel has been slighted in favor of Ali. Specifically..... Rocky Marciano, Larry Holmes, etc. Maybe you resent Ali for that reason. Ali and Marciano never met, so the best they could do was a "computer" matchup which in my estimation was pretty shitty. No relation to reality. In Holmes' case, it was the curse of following one of the greatest in the division, which an outlandish personality to match. Holmes always resented coming along after Ali.

Resentful of Cassius Clay changing his name to Muhammad Ali based on his Muslim religious beliefs. Maybe you don't like people who do that, and feel he should have stayed Cassius. You resent people who do that, so you may not like Kareem Abdul Jabbar too much either.

Hate his fighting style. I don't see why this should cause outright hate, so I hesitated to put it in here in the first place. Just not liking a fighter's style shouldn't cause the hate Ali gets. But just in case, it's in here. Maybe you don't like the way Ali used to pull opponents' head down... or used the rope-a-dope.... or something else.


I've actually run out of reasons. Please feel free to add your own. It's a thread for the haters, really. Not trying to change anyone's mind..... just trying to understand the bitter hate, is all.

So glad to see you trying to expand your mind. LOL Sir, I'm speaking for myself here, of course. Why can't, you, believe me when I say blah, blah, blah.....I don't like him because he was a disrespectful prick and treated black fighters far worse than he did white fighters? blah, blah, blah..... The thing that tickles me is why you can't seem to understand how anyone could possibly dislike Ali. You do agree that we don't all have to like Ali, right?
I'm thinking about changing my Saddoboxingland name to 'A Disrespectful Prick', to remind you we don't all have to admire or even like Ali! Live with it sir, it's one of those unfathomable boxing mysteries, like punchers are born punchers. Some of us just don't like your hero. I hope this has helped solve the mystery of bitter hate for you.

Ok..... we'll add the bolded part to the list of reasons. Fair enough.

The rest I blotted out because you keep harping on the same sad song that somehow I personally give a crap about how you or anybody else feels about Ali. Reread my posts...... SIR..... and kindly point out where I'm begging you to like Ali. It's a fact-finding post. You're free to contribute.... or not..... as you see fit.

I hope this has helped solve the mystery about why I created the thread in the first place.

I think I did explain myself well enough. You understood the important part, sir. Hey, have a good one.

Great! At least we're halfway there.
Now if only I can get you to understand that I couldn't care less how you feel about Ali..... we can finally call it a day.

[Bill Paxtom]

To dissect Cassius Clay,

You must get inside his Head. Much like opening up a Box to see what is inside.

Oh look. It's empty.

[Master]

Just like your jokes Bill empty and no impact.