Dissecting Ali hate

[Master]

I find all this Ali-obsessive hate amusing.
So I figure there's got to be one or more reasons why this hate exists in some people.
Below are some theories:

Old enough to have co-existed with Ali in his youth. Maybe you're old enough that you were a boxing fan back when Ali was in his prime. Maybe you hated Ali for refusing to be drafted. Maybe you yourself were a Vietnam (or other war) vet, and took it personally. Maybe you're a white dude who resented Ali's brash and outspoken personality. Or maybe you're a black guy who resented Ali not being "black enough" in some people's eyes.

Not old enough, but fan of another fighter you feel has been slighted in favor of Ali. Specifically..... Rocky Marciano, Larry Holmes, etc. Maybe you resent Ali for that reason. Ali and Marciano never met, so the best they could do was a "computer" matchup which in my estimation was pretty shitty. No relation to reality. In Holmes' case, it was the curse of following one of the greatest in the division, which an outlandish personality to match. Holmes always resented coming along after Ali.

Resentful of Cassius Clay changing his name to Muhammad Ali based on his Muslim religious beliefs. Maybe you don't like people who do that, and feel he should have stayed Cassius. You resent people who do that, so you may not like Kareem Abdul Jabbar too much either.

Hate his fighting style. I don't see why this should cause outright hate, so I hesitated to put it in here in the first place. Just not liking a fighter's style shouldn't cause the hate Ali gets. But just in case, it's in here. Maybe you don't like the way Ali used to pull opponents' head down... or used the rope-a-dope.... or something else.


I've actually run out of reasons. Please feel free to add your own. It's a thread for the haters, really. Not trying to change anyone's mind..... just trying to understand the bitter hate, is all.

So glad to see you trying to expand your mind. LOL Sir, I'm speaking for myself here, of course. Why can't, you, believe me when I say blah, blah, blah.....I don't like him because he was a disrespectful prick and treated black fighters far worse than he did white fighters? blah, blah, blah..... The thing that tickles me is why you can't seem to understand how anyone could possibly dislike Ali. You do agree that we don't all have to like Ali, right?
I'm thinking about changing my Saddoboxingland name to 'A Disrespectful Prick', to remind you we don't all have to admire or even like Ali! Live with it sir, it's one of those unfathomable boxing mysteries, like punchers are born punchers. Some of us just don't like your hero. I hope this has helped solve the mystery of bitter hate for you.

Ok..... we'll add the bolded part to the list of reasons. Fair enough.

The rest I blotted out because you keep harping on the same sad song that somehow I personally give a crap about how you or anybody else feels about Ali. Reread my posts...... SIR..... and kindly point out where I'm begging you to like Ali. It's a fact-finding post. You're free to contribute.... or not..... as you see fit.

I hope this has helped solve the mystery about why I created the thread in the first place.

I think I did explain myself well enough. You understood the important part, sir. Hey, have a good one.

Great! At least we're halfway there.
Now if only I can get you to understand that I couldn't care less how you feel about Ali..... we can finally call it a day.

Sir, we are not anywhere near 'calling it a day' and we won't be until you can say it's OK that I don't like or respect Ali.

tito has said that, read his original post.

[TitoFan]

I find all this Ali-obsessive hate amusing.
So I figure there's got to be one or more reasons why this hate exists in some people.
Below are some theories:

Old enough to have co-existed with Ali in his youth. Maybe you're old enough that you were a boxing fan back when Ali was in his prime. Maybe you hated Ali for refusing to be drafted. Maybe you yourself were a Vietnam (or other war) vet, and took it personally. Maybe you're a white dude who resented Ali's brash and outspoken personality. Or maybe you're a black guy who resented Ali not being "black enough" in some people's eyes.

Not old enough, but fan of another fighter you feel has been slighted in favor of Ali. Specifically..... Rocky Marciano, Larry Holmes, etc. Maybe you resent Ali for that reason. Ali and Marciano never met, so the best they could do was a "computer" matchup which in my estimation was pretty shitty. No relation to reality. In Holmes' case, it was the curse of following one of the greatest in the division, which an outlandish personality to match. Holmes always resented coming along after Ali.

Resentful of Cassius Clay changing his name to Muhammad Ali based on his Muslim religious beliefs. Maybe you don't like people who do that, and feel he should have stayed Cassius. You resent people who do that, so you may not like Kareem Abdul Jabbar too much either.

Hate his fighting style. I don't see why this should cause outright hate, so I hesitated to put it in here in the first place. Just not liking a fighter's style shouldn't cause the hate Ali gets. But just in case, it's in here. Maybe you don't like the way Ali used to pull opponents' head down... or used the rope-a-dope.... or something else.


I've actually run out of reasons. Please feel free to add your own. It's a thread for the haters, really. Not trying to change anyone's mind..... just trying to understand the bitter hate, is all.

So glad to see you trying to expand your mind. LOL Sir, I'm speaking for myself here, of course. Why can't, you, believe me when I say blah, blah, blah.....I don't like him because he was a disrespectful prick and treated black fighters far worse than he did white fighters? blah, blah, blah..... The thing that tickles me is why you can't seem to understand how anyone could possibly dislike Ali. You do agree that we don't all have to like Ali, right?
I'm thinking about changing my Saddoboxingland name to 'A Disrespectful Prick', to remind you we don't all have to admire or even like Ali! Live with it sir, it's one of those unfathomable boxing mysteries, like punchers are born punchers. Some of us just don't like your hero. I hope this has helped solve the mystery of bitter hate for you.

Ok..... we'll add the bolded part to the list of reasons. Fair enough.

The rest I blotted out because you keep harping on the same sad song that somehow I personally give a crap about how you or anybody else feels about Ali. Reread my posts...... SIR..... and kindly point out where I'm begging you to like Ali. It's a fact-finding post. You're free to contribute.... or not..... as you see fit.

I hope this has helped solve the mystery about why I created the thread in the first place.

I think I did explain myself well enough. You understood the important part, sir. Hey, have a good one.

Great! At least we're halfway there.
Now if only I can get you to understand that I couldn't care less how you feel about Ali..... we can finally call it a day.

Sir, we are not anywhere near 'calling it a day' and we won't be until you can say it's OK that I don't like or respect Ali.

tito has said that, read his original post.

I could always try Spanish. I've pretty much used up all the wording I can muster in English to push..... (scratch that)........ to bulldozer this point across.

[walrus]

Ali went the route of a controversial figure and it worked out well for him at the box office. He was a great boxer, had some of the biggest most interesting fights ever. I don't think he was the best ever, but that's imo. Wish he hadn't fought past his prime. Tarnished his career a bit.

[TitoFan]

So this is what we have so far:

@brocktonblockbust doesn't like Ali because he's a lifelong, hardcore Marciano fan. Hardcore Marciano fans typically don't like Ali because of the inevitable comparisons. Brock struggles between hating Ali and saying nice things about him, but it pains him to do so (say nice things about him). Hence, the inconsistency.

@beenKOed doesn't like Ali for reasons I can't understand (JUST KIDDING!!!!!!!). Actually, he's made his reasons very clear. So clear that I feel compelled to mention him as

@idontlikealibecausehesadisrespectfulprick





@Bill Paxtom is still a mystery, however. He's never quite let on (in a serious manner and without the accompanying pictures) why he hates Ali. But he's consistent in his hate, and likes to make stuff up.


You guys are all cool, though.
Cheers.




(I know I left out some guys, like Dark Lord Al........ cheers, Al! But these are the more active haters on the board, so I started with them).

[Dark Lord Al]

So this is what we have so far:

@brocktonblockbust doesn't like Ali because he's a lifelong, hardcore Marciano fan. Hardcore Marciano fans typically don't like Ali because of the inevitable comparisons. Brock struggles between hating Ali and saying nice things about him, but it pains him to do so (say nice things about him). Hence, the inconsistency.

@beenKOed doesn't like Ali for reasons I can't understand (JUST KIDDING!!!!!!!). Actually, he's made his reasons very clear. So clear that I feel compelled to mention him as

@idontlikealibecausehesadisrespectfulprick





@Bill Paxtom is still a mystery, however. He's never quite let on (in a serious manner and without the accompanying pictures) why he hates Ali. But he's consistent in his hate, and likes to make stuff up.


You guys are all cool, though.
Cheers.




(I know I left out some guys, like Dark Lord Al........ cheers, Al! But these are the more active haters on the board, so I started with them).

I dislike clay not a name he made up through his ignorance.

[Master]

Al if you dislike Ali then god knows what you make of Jack Johnson. Ali was a choirboy in comparison.

[Dark Lord Al]

Al if you dislike Ali then god knows what you make of Jack Johnson. Ali was a choirboy in comparison.

Jack Johnson was born and lived as Jack Johnson right or wrong , clay was a gullible fool.

[TitoFan]

So this is what we have so far:

@brocktonblockbust doesn't like Ali because he's a lifelong, hardcore Marciano fan. Hardcore Marciano fans typically don't like Ali because of the inevitable comparisons. Brock struggles between hating Ali and saying nice things about him, but it pains him to do so (say nice things about him). Hence, the inconsistency.

@beenKOed doesn't like Ali for reasons I can't understand (JUST KIDDING!!!!!!!). Actually, he's made his reasons very clear. So clear that I feel compelled to mention him as

@idontlikealibecausehesadisrespectfulprick





@Bill Paxtom is still a mystery, however. He's never quite let on (in a serious manner and without the accompanying pictures) why he hates Ali. But he's consistent in his hate, and likes to make stuff up.


You guys are all cool, though.
Cheers.




(I know I left out some guys, like Dark Lord Al........ cheers, Al! But these are the more active haters on the board, so I started with them).

I dislike clay not a name he made up through his ignorance.

I'm gonna defend Ali on this one.
You're not American, so you probably don't know the names I'm going to mention right now.

Chad Johnson
Ron Artest

Chad was a wide receiver for the Cincinnati Bengals. He was a flashy, obnoxious MF, who wore the number 85 on his jersey. Being the character that he is, he decided he liked the way his name sounded in Spanish (ocho cinco). So guess what....... he LEGALLY changed his name. His jersey had to be changed to read OchoCinco, and that's his real name now. Now THAT'S ignorance.

Ron was an NBA basketball player, who was always getting thrown out of ballgames 'cause he loved to fight and was kind of a bully on the court. A real badass. He was suspended for a bunch of games for going into the stands in what turned out to be a near riot during a basketball game and punching out some fans. Well..... the guy for some f*cking reason decides to change his name to Metta World Peace. I'm not making this up. That's the guy's legal name now.

Now THOSE are ignorant people changing their names.

Now let me mention another name you might not be familiar with...... Kareem Abdul Jabbar. Saw an HBO special on his the other day. Born by the name of Lew Alcindor, he played basketball for the Los Angeles Lakers and had a storied career. He's an older man now, but very serious, very well-spoken. He changed his name due to religious beliefs. Just like Ali.

My point is there's a difference there.
Why begrudge a man's beliefs and decisions to change his name accordingly?

[beenKOed]

So this is what we have so far:

@brocktonblockbust doesn't like Ali because he's a lifelong, hardcore Marciano fan. Hardcore Marciano fans typically don't like Ali because of the inevitable comparisons. Brock struggles between hating Ali and saying nice things about him, but it pains him to do so (say nice things about him). Hence, the inconsistency.

@beenKOed doesn't like Ali for reasons I can't understand (JUST KIDDING!!!!!!!). Actually, he's made his reasons very clear. So clear that I feel compelled to mention him as

@idontlikealibecausehesadisrespectfulprick





@Bill Paxtom is still a mystery, however. He's never quite let on (in a serious manner and without the accompanying pictures) why he hates Ali. But he's consistent in his hate, and likes to make stuff up.


You guys are all cool, though.
Cheers.




(I know I left out some guys, like Dark Lord Al........ cheers, Al! But these are the more active haters on the board, so I started with them).

I dislike clay not a name he made up through his ignorance.

I'm gonna defend Ali on this one.
You're not American, so you probably don't know the names I'm going to mention right now.

Chad Johnson
Ron Artest

Chad was a wide receiver for the Cincinnati Bengals. He was a flashy, obnoxious MF, who wore the number 85 on his jersey. Being the character that he is, he decided he liked the way his name sounded in Spanish (ocho cinco). So guess what....... he LEGALLY changed his name. His jersey had to be changed to read OchoCinco, and that's his real name now. Now THAT'S ignorance.

Ron was an NBA basketball player, who was always getting thrown out of ballgames 'cause he loved to fight and was kind of a bully on the court. A real badass. He was suspended for a bunch of games for going into the stands in what turned out to be a near riot during a basketball game and punching out some fans. Well..... the guy for some f*cking reason decides to change his name to Metta World Peace. I'm not making this up. That's the guy's legal name now.

Now THOSE are ignorant people changing their names.

Now let me mention another name you might not be familiar with...... Kareem Abdul Jabbar. Saw an HBO special on his the other day. Born by the name of Lew Alcindor, he played basketball for the Los Angeles Lakers and had a storied career. He's an older man now, but very serious, very well-spoken. He changed his name due to religious beliefs. Just like Ali.

My point is there's a difference there.
Why begrudge a man's beliefs and decisions to change his name accordingly?

Never really understood why Ali decided to changed his name but that was between him, his parents, and his God as far as I was concerned. Besides he was the same prick as before so it made no difference one way or the other.