Wlad is seriously risking his health in rematch

[ross]

Not to $h*t on anyone's riff here. I know Fury is a fave among a lot of saddo-mites on the Euro side of the pond.... but i didn't really the see the one sided, near death beating the fight has become in some of the boxing circles since Saturday. The scorecards say drubbing and yes Fury did take most of the rounds. Maybe many fans were just so tired of Klitch and his technical points earning, less risk, chin protecting style that any win was a Great win.

What I saw was a Klitch that looked positively befuddled. Intimidated by size, confused by an opponent that kept switching his stance, carried his hands low, and tried to bait Vlad into countering opportunities by feinting a lot. He didn't even know where to begin because his offense (linear approach) was taken away by fury's size. Once fury smelled blood, he cautiously used good movement and pot shotting to keep vlad in his shell. Occasionally taking advantage down the stretch with a combo here or there and walking away with the title because the champ stood in there and weathered a storm without a plan. If anything, i'd say that vlads arms were more sore the next day than anything else the next day.

I'll agree that the rematch might be pointless because of Vlad's showing. It wasn't that he got out pointed, out muscled, out maneuvered. I'm hesitant to use the phrase outfought, because to me that implies that Vlad was aggressively trying everything to turn the fight in his favor. I saw him do more gawking, standing, shelling and clinching than fighting. So in the sense that Fury used his movement, feinting and whatever was in his toolbox to nullify Vlad and keep him from getting confident enough to try to box his way to a victory... i'll say that Fury outboxed Vlad. I congratulate him and say i admire his candor when on the mic.

But really I think even taking age into account, Klitchsko is really being sold short (I'm not a fan of the younger Klitchsko). The best thing about him doing absolutely nothing this fight is that doing ANYTHING in the next fight would be better. He can certainly do that. There's a ton of things he can work on to stifle the feints, squirming and switching (not many will or have to take vlad out of his comfort zone and fury keeping his hands low actually does a lot of the work for him)...

- Depending on the linear approach because hes used to being the taller guy put him behind the 8 ball. Scrap it for the first half of the fight. Step around, use your angles and out flank him. When hes expecting straight punches from the 12 o clock position, land your hooks from the 10 and 2 positions. Go back to the frontal assault later when you have him on the run and hes stepping straight back.

- bigger guys make bigger targets. When he's feinting, switching and blading up on you from the outside, target the lead shoulder. It doesn't move as much, You don't have to reach as far to commit yourself and his chin is right behind it. So you cant miss-- throw it and you'll hit something. If Fury shrugs it off and gets complacent... small adjustments (inches to the inside) later will pay off big.

- When hes shoe shining, and carrying that hand low, step around, and close the distance and check it... to keep it low and out of the way while you're throwing your hooks.

....and after that its an easier fight. Height and reach are important, but "distance" in a boxing ring is relevant and not constant. It's more about timing than it is about just reach. -- This will/can all come down to Banks, and the rest of the team and whether or not they know what they're doing and whether Vlad believes in them enough to listen. I know i joked about him hiring roach, but a fresh respected perspective from anyone would help. Especially someone who can keep him loose. "Failure is not an option ..." and all that other Terminator BS will only lock him up again. Just my opinion. I could be wrong .

If you didnt know, thats boxing!

Also, did his arms need stitches as well then?

[El Kabong]

Also, did his arms need stitches as well then?

Well see ross, arms don't have sharp bones close to the surface of the skin (cheek bones, orbital bones, the brow/forehead depending on the shape of the skull) pretty much unprotected by muscle and fat which would make it easier to cause cuts.

But hell, that's all stuff you probably knew anyway......don't even know why I bothered to type it out really.

[J_Undisputed]

Not to $h*t on anyone's riff here. I know Fury is a fave among a lot of saddo-mites on the Euro side of the pond.... but i didn't really the see the one sided, near death beating the fight has become in some of the boxing circles since Saturday. The scorecards say drubbing and yes Fury did take most of the rounds. Maybe many fans were just so tired of Klitch and his technical points earning, less risk, chin protecting style that any win was a Great win.

What I saw was a Klitch that looked positively befuddled. Intimidated by size, confused by an opponent that kept switching his stance, carried his hands low, and tried to bait Vlad into countering opportunities by feinting a lot. He didn't even know where to begin because his offense (linear approach) was taken away by fury's size. Once fury smelled blood, he cautiously used good movement and pot shotting to keep vlad in his shell. Occasionally taking advantage down the stretch with a combo here or there and walking away with the title because the champ stood in there and weathered a storm without a plan. If anything, i'd say that vlads arms were more sore the next day than anything else the next day.

I'll agree that the rematch might be pointless because of Vlad's showing. It wasn't that he got out pointed, out muscled, out maneuvered. I'm hesitant to use the phrase outfought, because to me that implies that Vlad was aggressively trying everything to turn the fight in his favor. I saw him do more gawking, standing, shelling and clinching than fighting. So in the sense that Fury used his movement, feinting and whatever was in his toolbox to nullify Vlad and keep him from getting confident enough to try to box his way to a victory... i'll say that Fury outboxed Vlad. I congratulate him and say i admire his candor when on the mic.

But really I think even taking age into account, Klitchsko is really being sold short (I'm not a fan of the younger Klitchsko). The best thing about him doing absolutely nothing this fight is that doing ANYTHING in the next fight would be better. He can certainly do that. There's a ton of things he can work on to stifle the feints, squirming and switching (not many will or have to take vlad out of his comfort zone and fury keeping his hands low actually does a lot of the work for him)...

- Depending on the linear approach because hes used to being the taller guy put him behind the 8 ball. Scrap it for the first half of the fight. Step around, use your angles and out flank him. When hes expecting straight punches from the 12 o clock position, land your hooks from the 10 and 2 positions. Go back to the frontal assault later when you have him on the run and hes stepping straight back.

- bigger guys make bigger targets. When he's feinting, switching and blading up on you from the outside, target the lead shoulder. It doesn't move as much, You don't have to reach as far to commit yourself and his chin is right behind it. So you cant miss-- throw it and you'll hit something. If Fury shrugs it off and gets complacent... small adjustments (inches to the inside) later will pay off big.

- When hes shoe shining, and carrying that hand low, step around, and close the distance and check it... to keep it low and out of the way while you're throwing your hooks.

....and after that its an easier fight. Height and reach are important, but "distance" in a boxing ring is relevant and not constant. It's more about timing than it is about just reach. -- This will/can all come down to Banks, and the rest of the team and whether or not they know what they're doing and whether Vlad believes in them enough to listen. I know i joked about him hiring roach, but a fresh respected perspective from anyone would help. Especially someone who can keep him loose. "Failure is not an option ..." and all that other Terminator BS will only lock him up again. Just my opinion. I could be wrong .

If you didnt know, thats boxing!

Also, did his arms need stitches as well then?

I gave him credit for technically outboxing vlad. Maybe you replied after just reading the highlighted part... lets be honest, how much of that happens the same without furys size making Vlad Gun shy of committing to anything. It was an easy night in that he didn't actually have to throw punches half the time to keep vlad pensive. The head fakes and the feinting were applied liberally and it meant he didn't have to work as hard. He deserves full credit for that if he can get away with it.

My objection is to the notion that Fury is some juggernaut now and there's nothing vlad could do that fury wouldn't have an answer for. Its not that i don't like the guy. However, it's not as though fury peppered him and cut him to ribbons with the jab for 12 rounds or broke him down and knocked him out. This wasn't a Kovalev/hopkins... or cotto/martinez... This was like a reversal of Klitschko/ Haye, after haying gained 30lbs and 8 inches of height and reach. Watching the fights against fury and haye, you can see difference in vlads approach to the stylistic similarities in movement, the feinting and footwork with and without the extra size.

And one of those cuts was from a headbutt....

[TitoFan]

As usual, the thread has gone off on all kinds of tangents, including Fury's character.... something I admit to know nothing about.
So I'll stick to the boxing.

Getting back to the thread topic, I respect my friend's @brocktonblockbust opinion that Wlad would be risking serious injury in a rematch with Fury. I just don't see it. Were I to think of Wlad as the type to take some risk in order to redeem himself in the ring.... I might agree somewhat, and even then I can't see it, given the aforementioned punch outputs by both men.

But I just don't see Wlad that way.
Imagine, if you will, the following exchange between Wlad and his very different brother, Vitali:

Vitali: Hey brother... now that we got the rematch, there's something I've been meaning to say. You know I love you and all.... but you looked like shit out there against Fury. It was downright embarrassing.

Wlad: What do you mean, brother?

Vitali: Well... I hate to bring this up... but you hardly threw any punches. Hell..... I wanted to get in there and beat the hell out of Fury for you.

Wlad: But I was being cautious. Remember Sanders, Purrity, and Brewster?

Vitali: Yes brother.... but that was a long time ago. I thought you had let that go by now.

Wlad: Listen... between you and me.... I'm scared of getting KTFO'ed like that again. It HURTS!

Vitali: I know brother... but you got your championship taken away from you. By a guy who ridiculed you and called you every name in the book. He even came dressed as Batman.

Wlad: Well.... for the rematch, I'll just box him more. I don't know.... I'll do something different.

Vitali: That's NOT ENOUGH, brother!! You have to get mad. Go out there and take back what's yours!!

Wlad: But what if I get hit on the chin and get knocked out again??

Vitali: %$&#$&# brother!!!!!! Never mind. How about I fight Fury?

Wlad: Would you really do that for me?

[Beanz]

As usual, the thread has gone off on all kinds of tangents, including Fury's character.... something I admit to know nothing about.
So I'll stick to the boxing.

Getting back to the thread topic, I respect my friend's @brocktonblockbust opinion that Wlad would be risking serious injury in a rematch with Fury. I just don't see it. Were I to think of Wlad as the type to take some risk in order to redeem himself in the ring.... I might agree somewhat, and even then I can't see it, given the aforementioned punch outputs by both men.

But I just don't see Wlad that way.
Imagine, if you will, the following exchange between Wlad and his very different brother, Vitali:

Vitali: Hey brother... now that we got the rematch, there's something I've been meaning to say. You know I love you and all.... but you looked like shit out there against Fury. It was downright embarrassing.

Wlad: What do you mean, brother?

Vitali: Well... I hate to bring this up... but you hardly threw any punches. Hell..... I wanted to get in there and beat the hell out of Fury for you.

Wlad: But I was being cautious. Remember Sanders, Purrity, and Brewster?

Vitali: Yes brother.... but that was a long time ago. I thought you had let that go by now.

Wlad: Listen... between you and me.... I'm scared of getting KTFO'ed like that again. It HURTS!

Vitali: I know brother... but you got your championship taken away from you. By a guy who ridiculed you and called you every name in the book. He even came dressed as Batman.

Wlad: Well.... for the rematch, I'll just box him more. I don't know.... I'll do something different.

Vitali: That's NOT ENOUGH, brother!! You have to get mad. Go out there and take back what's yours!!

Wlad: But what if I get hit on the chin and get knocked out again??

Vitali: %$&#$&# brother!!!!!! Never mind. How about I fight Fury?

Wlad: Would you really do that for me?

I thought you were going stick to the boxing? That's just daft character assassination based on very little. I replied with a direct quote from Fury himself a few days ago, in response to Brock and Ross ' ridiculous claim that Fury is a role model.

[ross]

You sound very bitter greenbeanz like this affects you somehow.

Have you tried to be something and failed?

[Beanz]

You sound bery bitter greenbeanz like this affects you somehow.

Have you tried to be something and failed?

Bitter? What are you waffling on about now? Seriously mate you seem unable to see anything but fluffy clouds where Fury is concerned. Well done to him but the entire forum is getting a bit gloaty bollocks the last few days.

As to your question

"For what is a man's grasp if it's not for over reaching?"

[Gandalf]

Tito's post was clearly a tongue in cheek and very funny dialogue between guys who have a history of letting big brother do the tougher jobs. Nothing more.

[El Kabong]

As usual, the thread has gone off on all kinds of tangents, including Fury's character.... something I admit to know nothing about.
So I'll stick to the boxing.

Getting back to the thread topic, I respect my friend's @brocktonblockbust opinion that Wlad would be risking serious injury in a rematch with Fury. I just don't see it. Were I to think of Wlad as the type to take some risk in order to redeem himself in the ring.... I might agree somewhat, and even then I can't see it, given the aforementioned punch outputs by both men.

But I just don't see Wlad that way.
Imagine, if you will, the following exchange between Wlad and his very different brother, Vitali:

Vitali: Hey brother... now that we got the rematch, there's something I've been meaning to say. You know I love you and all.... but you looked like shit out there against Fury. It was downright embarrassing.

Wlad: What do you mean, brother?

Vitali: Well... I hate to bring this up... but you hardly threw any punches. Hell..... I wanted to get in there and beat the hell out of Fury for you.

Wlad: But I was being cautious. Remember Sanders, Purrity, and Brewster?

Vitali: Yes brother.... but that was a long time ago. I thought you had let that go by now.

Wlad: Listen... between you and me.... I'm scared of getting KTFO'ed like that again. It HURTS!

Vitali: I know brother... but you got your championship taken away from you. By a guy who ridiculed you and called you every name in the book. He even came dressed as Batman.

Wlad: Well.... for the rematch, I'll just box him more. I don't know.... I'll do something different.

Vitali: That's NOT ENOUGH, brother!! You have to get mad. Go out there and take back what's yours!!

Wlad: But what if I get hit on the chin and get knocked out again??

Vitali: %$&#$&# brother!!!!!! Never mind. How about I fight Fury?

Wlad: Would you really do that for me?

I thought you were going stick to the boxing? That's just daft character assassination based on very little. I replied with a direct quote from Fury himself a few days ago, in response to Brock and Ross ' ridiculous claim that Fury is a role model.

Oh come now, it's not EVERY DAY that Titofan posts like that......oh wait....it is, nevermind

[TitoFan]

As usual, the thread has gone off on all kinds of tangents, including Fury's character.... something I admit to know nothing about.
So I'll stick to the boxing.

Getting back to the thread topic, I respect my friend's @brocktonblockbust opinion that Wlad would be risking serious injury in a rematch with Fury. I just don't see it. Were I to think of Wlad as the type to take some risk in order to redeem himself in the ring.... I might agree somewhat, and even then I can't see it, given the aforementioned punch outputs by both men.

But I just don't see Wlad that way.
Imagine, if you will, the following exchange between Wlad and his very different brother, Vitali:

Vitali: Hey brother... now that we got the rematch, there's something I've been meaning to say. You know I love you and all.... but you looked like shit out there against Fury. It was downright embarrassing.

Wlad: What do you mean, brother?

Vitali: Well... I hate to bring this up... but you hardly threw any punches. Hell..... I wanted to get in there and beat the hell out of Fury for you.

Wlad: But I was being cautious. Remember Sanders, Purrity, and Brewster?

Vitali: Yes brother.... but that was a long time ago. I thought you had let that go by now.

Wlad: Listen... between you and me.... I'm scared of getting KTFO'ed like that again. It HURTS!

Vitali: I know brother... but you got your championship taken away from you. By a guy who ridiculed you and called you every name in the book. He even came dressed as Batman.

Wlad: Well.... for the rematch, I'll just box him more. I don't know.... I'll do something different.

Vitali: That's NOT ENOUGH, brother!! You have to get mad. Go out there and take back what's yours!!

Wlad: But what if I get hit on the chin and get knocked out again??

Vitali: %$&#$&# brother!!!!!! Never mind. How about I fight Fury?

Wlad: Would you really do that for me?

I thought you were going stick to the boxing? That's just daft character assassination based on very little. I replied with a direct quote from Fury himself a few days ago, in response to Brock and Ross ' ridiculous claim that Fury is a role model.

C'mon Beanz. "Character assassination"??

It's just a skit, man.

And BTW..... Vitali did look rather frustrated in Wlad's corner. I can imagine his reaction when Fury was mugging at Wlad with his hands down. I'm not just another Klitschko hater, Beanz. As a person the guy's alright. But Vitali's got the only pair of "cojones" in the family. Wlad may get the better accolades career-wise when it's all over..... but Vitali is truly the better fighter in the family.

BTW again.... I don't consider Fury a role model. I don't know enough about Fury the man to make that kind of statement. All I can say is he took a big risk, challenging Wlad in his own backyard, and made Wlad look like an amateur in the process.