Anthony Joshuas weight increase

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20lb of pure muscle is a huge gain in two years for a heavyweight boxer.

Its not like he was a lighter weight fighter boiling down in weight who could easily move up.

Fury goes up and down with fat and fluid. Joshua has clearly gone up with muscle. I cant believe you even used Fury as an example

Tyson and all the Furys get random tested regularly as Peter Fury points out on hos twitter. He laughs about it because people look at their success and cant believe its just natural hard work. There is a lot of bitterness and jealousy about the furys success but thats neither here nor there.

Anyone whos tried building miscle purposefully will tell you that a lean 20lb gain in two years is huge, even if you are 6,6". Its massive for anyone, let alone someone doing it "naturally" legally.

Like I said, Joshua has said himself he used to be big on weightlifting before the boxing so its not like he just started and unlocked some growth potential out of nowhere. For someone who regularly lifts weights up to the age of 24 to suddenly gain 20lb in 2 years is suspicious!

Im hoping someone who knows a bit about weightlifting/bodybuilding chips in here.

Yeah , me too. Having said that, it'll just be like when somebody chipped in about betting and you wouldn't / couldn't understand that either!
You keep saying "20 lbs of pure muscle". How do you know it is 20 lbs in muscle? Ok, we know it's 20 lbs in weight, but I repeat , how do you know it is 20 lbs of pure muscle?

Ok brains, find me a picture of Joshua looking any fatter than when he turned pro

Unless your telling me hes a secret boozer and its all visceral fat?

[Primo Carnera]

20lb of pure muscle is a huge gain in two years for a heavyweight boxer.

Its not like he was a lighter weight fighter boiling down in weight who could easily move up.

Fury goes up and down with fat and fluid. Joshua has clearly gone up with muscle. I cant believe you even used Fury as an example

Tyson and all the Furys get random tested regularly as Peter Fury points out on hos twitter. He laughs about it because people look at their success and cant believe its just natural hard work. There is a lot of bitterness and jealousy about the furys success but thats neither here nor there.

Anyone whos tried building miscle purposefully will tell you that a lean 20lb gain in two years is huge, even if you are 6,6". Its massive for anyone, let alone someone doing it "naturally" legally.

Like I said, Joshua has said himself he used to be big on weightlifting before the boxing so its not like he just started and unlocked some growth potential out of nowhere. For someone who regularly lifts weights up to the age of 24 to suddenly gain 20lb in 2 years is suspicious!

Im hoping someone who knows a bit about weightlifting/bodybuilding chips in here.

Yeah , me too. Having said that, it'll just be like when somebody chipped in about betting and you wouldn't / couldn't understand that either!
You keep saying "20 lbs of pure muscle". How do you know it is 20 lbs in muscle? Ok, we know it's 20 lbs in weight, but I repeat , how do you know it is 20 lbs of pure muscle?

Ok brains, find me a picture of Joshua looking any fatter than when he turned pro

Unless your telling me hes a secret boozer and its all visceral fat?

Ross, Ross , Ross, my funny pedigree chum, I've just started another thread that I'm sure you'll be interested in.😄
Now , have you ever heard of Ratio or Proportion? Basically if an 11 stone guy like Canelo for arguments sake, can look in shape at 11 stone, then 24 hours later can look in shape or not "look fat" as you put it at 12 and a half stone, then why can't a guy who was 16 and a half stone look in good shape at nearly 18 stone. Add to that the fact that he's 6 foot 5 inches tall, I think it's feasible.
I repeat how do you KNOW he has put on 20 lbs of pure muscle?

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Joshuas pro debut late 2012 weighing 230lb

During the weigh in to Cornish at 250lb

[0james0]

He looks like someone who has gone from training 5 times a week to 25 times a week. For a few years.

He's gone pro and then trained a lot. It is more muscle, but look at him, he's a fucking beast. It doesn't look like it's bothering him. It probably wasn't even deliberate.

Plus in amateurs you want to be lighter and fast. Pro he wants power.

[ross]

He looks like someone who has gone from training 5 times a week to 25 times a week. For a few years.

He's gone pro and then trained a lot. It is more muscle, but look at him, he's a fucking beast. It doesn't look like it's bothering him. It probably wasn't even deliberate.

Plus in amateurs you want to be lighter and fast. Pro he wants power.

This is my issue.

Anyone who knows about building muscle will tell you you need to rest.

If you are doing weights to build muscle you couldnt even do pad work or sparring effectively because you would be too sore anyway but doing all the regular boxing training would not allow the muscle fibres time to repair and grow or hypertrophy. Also, running is out of the window to build muscle. The more endurance type training the more you are holding back growth.

Regardless of how he has acheived this growth it will not help his stamina in a hard fight.

This is not his natural size as the large muscle increase from the age of 24 will prove. Very few heavily (developed) muscled men become world class fighters. For instance a fighter like Mike Tyson was a freak of nature and was huge from a child. His body was used to moving that mass around. A fighter like Bruno although eventually became a world champion because of the fragmented titles and McCall being stoned struggled with stamina. He was a big strong and tough fighter and took a good shot but he took too many because he was too tired and stiff to be fluid and move well. Joshua has yet to even feel what its like to breath hard in the 4th. Had he got in to the second half of a 10 round fight it wouldnt be such an issue but when hes mentally and physically fatigued and gasping for oxygen to feed all that new muscle tissue he will noticably slow and panic for it. He might feel fine in trainng and sparring where there is nothing at risk and no threat of losing.

He will panic sat in the corner at the end of the 4th knowing he has another 8 rounds to go when his legs and arms feel heavy and tired and all he knows what to do is off load heavy shots he needs energy for.

[beenKOed]

He's 26 yrs, he might put on another 20 before he reaches 30 yrs. Are you laying the ground work for an excuse when Joshua planks Fury?

[Beanz]

Ross you sound like a T.Rex in with an orangutan. You are reaching. So he a British heavyweight who is not Fury and you think that nooby boxing fans are all missing something that only you in your all knowing wisdom have noticed. The failure to go many rounds because he is flattening everyone is not a flaw. I am sure He also trains for stamina but apparently you can tell he will run out of it despite no evidence of that happening. Anything else we don't know?

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He's 26 yrs, he might put on another 20 before he reaches 30 yrs. Are you laying the ground work for an excuse when Joshua planks Fury?

This could be the reason.

Tyson should not be nervous of anyone after beating Wlad but I think he wants to retire before meeting any of the punchers.

[IamInuit]

He may have started a mass building regiment 2 years ago. Its easy to hand pick guys that may be juicing but in reality I'd say most of the boxing world is cheating so I'm not sure roid allegations or inference should be taken all that seriously. I mean if everyone is doing it then whats the benefit of pointing out a possible user? The sport does not take it seriously cause if they did we'd have random testing as the norm not the exception.

Wach just pissed hot again lol. From the B sample post Povetkin. He just does not look like a juicer but now he's been busted twice.

Holyfield had no issues making 190(old cruiser limit) and jumped from 190 against Deleon to 210 against Thomas in 8 months and then. Roids? To us it may seem like a lot because I had never heard of Holy having weight issues and have no idea if Joshua ever did in his amateur days. It could be that although they never struggled per-say, they did deprive natural growth. I doubt either man stunted that growth by staying shallow weight wise for a few years.

Another thing to consider is the kind of supplements and science around today that are legal which contribute to weight gain more then any time before it really. Also, how much is water whether he looks muscled out or not?

I have not seen any recent study but it would be interesting to see what a valid paper says on the topic. How much protein etc etc can be processed by the body and added on to muscle mass naturally? Is it physically possible to put on x amount of muscle mass through diet and nutrition?

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He may have started a mass building regiment 2 years ago. Its easy to hand pick guys that may be juicing but in reality I'd say most of the boxing world is cheating so I'm not sure roid allegations or inference should be taken all that seriously. I mean if everyone is doing it then whats the benefit of pointing out a possible user? The sport does not take it seriously cause if they did we'd have random testing as the norm not the exception.

Wach just pissed hot again lol. From the B sample post Povetkin. He just does not look like a juicer but now he's been busted twice.

Holyfield had no issues making 190(old cruiser limit) and jumped from 190 against Deleon to 210 against Thomas in 8 months and then. Roids? To us it may seem like a lot because I had never heard of Holy having weight issues and have no idea if Joshua ever did in his amateur days. It could be that although they never struggled per-say, they did deprive natural growth. I doubt either man stunted that growth by staying shallow weight wise for a few years.

Another thing to consider is the kind of supplements and science around today that are legal which contribute to weight gain more then any time before it really. Also, how much is water whether he looks muscled out or not?

I have not seen any recent study but it would be interesting to see what a valid paper says on the topic. How much protein etc etc can be processed by the body and added on to muscle mass naturally? Is it physically possible to put on x amount of muscle mass through diet and nutrition?

He was a super heavy which had no upper limit. He didnt have to make any weight. You also dont have a growth spurt in your mid twenties

His trainng would be more detrimental to building muscle now than before as hes supposed to be training for longer fights.

[Memphis]

Ross you're talking about possibilities like they're hard facts. Joshua may well struggle later in a fight due to his size and composition, we just don't know. You're not the first to suggest it and it's not something new or exciting to do so.


The comparison with Bruno is there and always has been, physically they are like two peas in a pod. I do think Joshua is more fluid than Bruno though. Bruno later in his career looked like he was carved out of mahogany, in his earlier days he was still very big, but not as ridged. Take a look at his fight with Jumbo Cummings, he fought hard into the 7th or 8th round I think, still punching hard and that was after having to be sack trucked back to his corner at the end of the 2nd. Whilst he was no Kenyan marathon runner, his stamina looked alright in that fight.


I think Whyte is just the man to test Joshua in every way we want him tested. I think he'll stand up to Joshua's punches well and force him to fight into the second half of the fight. I cant wait to see how it pans out.