Year-end 2015 *updated* ATG HW RANKINGS

[Master]

The definitive list and in order.

Muhammad Ali
Joe Louis
Larry Holmes
Mike Tyson
Lennox Lewis
George Foreman
Joe Frazier
Evander Holyfield
Wladimir Klitschko
Jack Johnson

Hey, W.W.O., ....... Frazier and NOT Marciano? Rocky held the title from 1952 to 1956 and defended it 6 times (5 KOs, 1 decision). Frazier held it less time and defended it less times as well.

WWO= Wolverhamptom Wild One

Frazier had more title defences against better fighters.

Prove it

Frazier had 9 successful defences

[brocktonblockbust]

The definitive list and in order.

Muhammad Ali
Joe Louis
Larry Holmes
Mike Tyson
Lennox Lewis
George Foreman
Joe Frazier
Evander Holyfield
Wladimir Klitschko
Jack Johnson

Hey, W.W.O., ....... Frazier and NOT Marciano? Rocky held the title from 1952 to 1956 and defended it 6 times (5 KOs, 1 decision). Frazier held it less time and defended it less times as well.

WWO= Wolverhamptom Wild One

Frazier had more title defences against better fighters.

Prove it

Frazier had 9 successful defences

Nonsense

[Master]

The definitive list and in order.

Muhammad Ali
Joe Louis
Larry Holmes
Mike Tyson
Lennox Lewis
George Foreman
Joe Frazier
Evander Holyfield
Wladimir Klitschko
Jack Johnson

Hey, W.W.O., ....... Frazier and NOT Marciano? Rocky held the title from 1952 to 1956 and defended it 6 times (5 KOs, 1 decision). Frazier held it less time and defended it less times as well.

WWO= Wolverhamptom Wild One

Frazier had more title defences against better fighters.

Prove it

Frazier had 9 successful defences

Nonsense

It is true, look it up on boxing rec. He won the title, defended it 9 times before losing it to George Foreman which makes Joe better champion than Rocky. Deal with it.

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WBA and WBC title he won in 1970 from Jimmy ellis--- he lost those titles on his 5th title defense in Kingston Jamaica.

You are mistakenly thinking the New York State Athletic Commission title is the Heavyweight Champion of the World. Those fights were not HW Champ of the World, those are STATE TITLES, SUCH AS CHAMP OF WESSEX, CHAMP OF ESSEX, CHAMP OF DUNDEE, CHAMP OF DUNGHOLAIRE, CHAMP OF NORTHUMBRIA, ETC.....

NICE TRY THOUGH.

[ross]

Leon Neon Spinks beat Ali twice. #11 ATG
@Master

Mcneely beat Tyson
Spinks beat Holmes
Morrison beat Foreman
Rocky beat Louis......it happens to old fighters.

Did he?

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Leon Neon Spinks beat Ali twice. #11 ATG
@Master

Mcneely beat Tyson
Spinks beat Holmes
Morrison beat Foreman
Rocky beat Louis......it happens to old fighters.

Did he?

yeah, McNeely/McBride--it's all the same for an Amritsari, really.

[mrbig1]

You know I don't see Sonny Liston on the list. Only Ali beat him. Wins over big cat Williams Henry Clark and Floyd Patterson twice. I think he could beat most on this list.

[Master]

WBA and WBC title he won in 1970 from Jimmy ellis--- he lost those titles on his 5th title defense in Kingston Jamaica.

You are mistakenly thinking the New York State Athletic Commission title is the Heavyweight Champion of the World. Those fights were not HW Champ of the World, those are STATE TITLES, SUCH AS CHAMP OF WESSEX, CHAMP OF ESSEX, CHAMP OF DUNDEE, CHAMP OF DUNGHOLAIRE, CHAMP OF NORTHUMBRIA, ETC.....

NICE TRY THOUGH.

NYSAC World Heavyweight Title. There was no other better heavyweight champion at the time as Ali was exiled.

[Master]

You know I don't see Sonny Liston on the list. Only Ali beat him. Wins over big cat Williams Henry Clark and Floyd Patterson twice. I think he could beat most on this list.

Which further supports the case that Ali was the greatest ever heavyweight champion beating 3 greats in his era. No one compares with that.

Face facts no one has a better record.

[ross]

Who would come out on top with the most wins if they all fought each other?

[Master]

Who would come out on top with the most wins if they all fought each other?

Now that is a different question altogether.

[mrbig1]

You know I don't see Sonny Liston on the list. Only Ali beat him. Wins over big cat Williams Henry Clark and Floyd Patterson twice. I think he could beat most on this list.

Which further supports the case that Ali was the greatest ever heavyweight champion beating 3 greats in his era. No one compares with that.

Face facts no one has a better record.

Well said sir. In any division a great champion must have 3 things Chin heart and stamina. If Marciano lacked any one of these 3 there is no way he becomes champ. Ali also had all 3 plus ring smarts and speed. Foreman was unbeatable, Ali knocked him out. Liston was unbeatable, Liston was unable to answer the bell for round 7. Ali fought all over the world taking on all comers. Now brothers and Sisters that's great.

[ross]

Who would come out on top with the most wins if they all fought each other?

Now that is a different question altogether.

It is but people can get confused over what greatest means. Sime fighters have great careers and achievements but others would beat that same fighter.

Foreman had a great career in the end but most on that list would beat him I think.

Klitschko would also probably be higher as would Lewis and Tyson.

[Master]

Who would come out on top with the most wins if they all fought each other?

Now that is a different question altogether.

It is but people can get confused over what greatest means. Sime fighters have great careers and achievements but others would beat that same fighter.

Foreman had a great career in the end but most on that list would beat him I think.

Klitschko would also probably be higher as would Lewis and Tyson.

That list would be a bit warped as I could see it being

Lennox
Evander
Tyson
Vitali
Bowe
Holmes
Wlad
Foreman
Liston
Frazier

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WBA and WBC title he won in 1970 from Jimmy ellis--- he lost those titles on his 5th title defense in Kingston Jamaica.

You are mistakenly thinking the New York State Athletic Commission title is the Heavyweight Champion of the World. Those fights were not HW Champ of the World, those are STATE TITLES, SUCH AS CHAMP OF WESSEX, CHAMP OF ESSEX, CHAMP OF DUNDEE, CHAMP OF DUNGHOLAIRE, CHAMP OF NORTHUMBRIA, ETC.....

NICE TRY THOUGH.

NYSAC World Heavyweight Title. There was no other better heavyweight champion at the time as Ali was exiled.

B*******. Rocky Marciano had just beaten Muhammad Ali and 13 round knockout you and I and the computer all know it